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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That's one of the problems I have with Medicaid (free government insurance for poor people in the states.)

    Having a larger population isn't good on its own.
    To argue that poor people shouldn't have more children marks you as an elitist, even though it is for humanitarian purposes.

    Large populations of ignorant and unintelligent people leaves the door wide open for abuse. I can't support such a blind and ignorant policy.
    People having greater access to preventive care, as facilitated to a limited degree by medicaid, is more a matter of saving society money in the long run. Government health insurance will continue to play that role until we are willing to let poor/old/unlucky/irresponsible people die in the ER. Having a healthier populace is also helpful for productivity.

    I do see the way society allows more ignorant and unintelligent people to reproduce more, but to me that just indicates that democratic processes should not be relied upon to determine policy. Hence me making references to technocracy, but it would have to be based upon a better constitution than we currently have, and perhaps more technology that would enable us to more objectively assess intelligence and empathy in potential leaders.

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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    There is a trend happening in UK and across Europe, i remember a lecture in sociology explaining how those in the higher bracket of wealth and education wise were having less children whereas those in the lower brackets were having many and my professor was speculating whether it would create a generation of children with lesser intelligence *shrugs*
    That really depends on how strong the correlation between socioeconomic class and genetic predisposition to intelligence really are. There's a relatively strong correlation between socioeconomic class and expressed intelligence... but there's still plenty of room for that to be explained by disparities in education and childhood learning environment.

    Then again, all of the smart poor people I know have fewer children than the dumb people I know. Scary thought.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    To argue that poor people shouldn't have more children marks you as an elitist, even though it is for humanitarian purposes.
    It only marks you as an elitist if you attempt to establish a connection between their poverty and other undesirable traits-- essentially, if you are claiming that the rich are rich and the poor are poor because they deserve to be so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Large populations of ignorant and unintelligent people leaves the door wide open for abuse. I can't support such a blind and ignorant policy.
    The largest portion of every human society has been ignorant and unintelligent. The only thing to change in recent years has been their increasing power to affect meaningful changes in their government-- a change brought about less by the endless expansion of franchise than by the use of information technology and political lobbying groups to give morons a greater voice in the political system.

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Another thought would be that as society advances, it may not necessarily be the genetically blessed in physical strength that have the upperhand, but rather the mentally capable. Intelligence may very well be valued over the physically strong, and there is no reason to think that in the future natural selection may not change it's means.
    Any change in the human genome that makes human extinction a viable consequence of the collapse of our technological base is undesirable. Especially when all it would take to render our technological society inviable is a particularly violent hiccup in the financial markets.

    I agree that if we're looking toward human enhancement our goals should revolve mainly around mental improvement-- but we must not allow the physical capacity of our species to suffer in the process.

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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    What? You'll be fed well enough, don't worry. We women aren't nearly as mean to our slaves as most men are.
    Yes, but how do you treat the women slaves?

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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    Quote Originally Posted by hiswoman View Post
    Yes, but how do you treat the women slaves?
    However they want.

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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    However they want.
    Awesome! Sign me up then

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Relax, men will always be needed
    Men will not go extinct calm down and i doubt there will ever be a society where men do not play a key role in it
    Well you'd better hurry, because the feminists are going extinct. They're just plain out of style.
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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm from human ste

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Well you'd better hurry, because the feminists are going extinct. They're just plain out of style.
    As long as women are still being mistreated and seen as second class in the world, i hope feminists still exist


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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm from human ste

    You poor poor things, it's so horrible for you here.
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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm from human ste

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You poor poor things, it's so horrible for you here.
    I said world

    You DO realise women are still being abused in the world .... RIGHT?


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