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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    My problem with this is that we are allowing inferior genetics to continue to exist.
    But don't we do that anyway with IVF and the countless medical breakthroughs we have now.

    If injections and vaccinations did not exist, only the strong would be alive now and the population probably wouldn't be this big or problematic but we have gotten to the routine of keeping people alive through science


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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The god damned geeks are hunting Nobel Prizes and they don't care who they hurt to get them. Scientists are some of the most vicious people in the world.
    Thank god for those geeks.
    We wouldn't be where we are now without scientists and brainiacs


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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    But don't we do that anyway with IVF and the countless medical breakthroughs we have now.

    If injections and vaccinations did not exist, only the strong would be alive now and the population probably wouldn't be this big or problematic but we have gotten to the routine of keeping people alive through science
    I'm not a total genetic purity type guy but I think that IVF and other such products of science are detrimental to our whole civilization.

    Vaccinations don't perpetuate a genetic problem like IVF and other fertility treatments do. They continue the existence of the infertile, which requires continued intervention by science.

    Immunities can be fixed by continuing natural breeding in humans.
    Infertility is usually a deal breaker that can't be fixed with natural breeding.
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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm not a total genetic purity type guy but I think that IVF and other such products of science are detrimental to our whole civilization.
    So you take the stance that if a couple cannot have a child naturally, they shouldn't be able to get science help to concieve through artifical means?


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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    So you take the stance that if a couple cannot have a child naturally, they shouldn't be able to get science help to concieve through artifical means?
    At this moment I think it is a poor choice of encouraging procreation.
    There is a lot of emotion involved in this but I can't overlook the long term consequences of these procedures.

    It's not good for all humans as we perpetuate lesser genetic attributes that weave their way through our planets populations.
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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    NO!
    What? You'll be fed well enough, don't worry. We women aren't nearly as mean to our slaves as most men are.

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Yeah but where is the fun in that? My gal happens to enjoy moi
    Well, she will be allowed to keep you. Women will be allowed as many sex slaves as they wish, of course.

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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Women will be allowed as many sex slaves as they wish, of course.
    I vote for rivrrat to be leader when women rule the world =D


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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    What? You'll be fed well enough, don't worry. We women aren't nearly as mean to our slaves as most men are.
    I want to be the wanted slave and not the worker salve.

    I call dibs!
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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Good news or bad?
    I think time will tell. It's good news in general, but until we see how it's actually used, we won't know what kind of societal impact it will have. We'll also have to see how babies conceived using this artificial sperm compare to babies conceived naturally.

    As far as I know, the age of the biological father at conception has little to do with the health of the baby, so the issue with accelerated aging in clones shouldn't be an issue. I shouldn't comment much further on this, though, with the presence of actual experts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    As the law stands right now, creating any form of life or fertility treatment through cloning or atificial sperm is illegal and will stay that way, it will need a primary legislation to change it but seeing women can have IVF. Shouldn't men also be able to eventually get access to the same treatment? Infertility of men has been slowly increasing.
    I share Harry Guerilla's concerns that this will lead to increasing infertility rates in the species, and help propagate genetic defects that will inhibit our ability to reproduce without artificial assistance. Of course, the same concerns present themselves with older forms of fertility assistance, but this seems like a much greater form of assistance.

    Then again, it would prove a boon to men who have been sterilized by injury or environmental factors. Not to mention, the possibilities that it opens up for lesbian couples, who would be able to raise children who are biologically descended from both. After all, I don't believe there is any fundamental difference in male and female skin that would make one suitable for the creation of artificial sperm and the other not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I think the law should be amended if needed for the scientists to research and more power given to the independent body to regulate and enforce the rules.
    Personally, I say let them play. There's no real danger from these technologies unless they're released on the mass market before they're fully developed; as long as all of the experiments are confined to a laboratory setting, they're not capable of creating any problem that can't be solved by a couple of hard men with shotguns.

    I'm not going to be greatly concerned until they're ready to start using this technology on a governmental or consumer scale.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    But those against this have been out in force on BBC and SKY saying we are going down a no go zone and playing God
    Heh. If God didn't want us playing with his toys, why'd he leave them in the sandbox where we could find them? Any god that doesn't look on with pride as we try to transcend our limitations isn't worthy of worship, in my opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Can we prevent tyrants from cloning themselves or governments from growing "super-soldiers." What about the effects from such work on people's psyche?
    No sense trying to stop tyrants from making clones of themselves. It's just a costly and inefficient form of reproduction, and most tyrants are perfectly capable of reproducing with a little natural assistance anyway.

    I actually look forward to "super soldiers". Unless they're being deliberately designed for "benefits" such as being too dumb to question orders-- which is better accomplished through indoctrination-- they'll end up being an improvement over baseline humanity in numerous capacities. Unless the government sterilizes their stormtroopers, those improvements will eventually leak out into the general populace.

    Can you explain a little more what you're worried about, in regards to the effects on people's psyche?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    There are numerous ethical questions to this work. However, if it is maintained and used for medical good, then science has performed it's job.
    How do you define "medical good", though? Is it only the prevention and treatment of disease, or do you include enhancement as "medical good"? It seems that too many people are obsessed with maintaining the genetic status quo in our species, despite how this flies in the face of natural development. They seem to view our species as the pinnacle of evolution, or at least as the "natural" form from which all deviation is an error.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    ... and the experimenting labs would have be carefully monitored because living experiments that "fail" are still humans, and that lab is responsible for the lifetime care and support of their mistakes when they begin playing with human development.
    There's no more reason for this than there is to implant every single zygote conceived in the process of performing IVF for an infertile couple.

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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's not good for all humans as we perpetuate lesser genetic attributes that weave their way through our planets populations.
    Agreed.
    There is a trend happening in UK and across Europe, i remember a lecture in sociology explaining how those in the higher bracket of wealth and education wise were having less children whereas those in the lower brackets were having many and my professor was speculating whether it would create a generation of children with lesser intelligence *shrugs*


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