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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

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    A microbiologist. I work as a peptide chemist currently.
    That's good. I believe in technocracy, so I would value your opinion more assuming that's true, though obviously I can't verify it.

    You don't work for the medical school, do you? If so, tell them they have too many essays on their secondary.

    Where you begin to devalue life based on furthering technology.
    We don't, nor should we, value "life." We should value beings.

    This would not work either really, as the clone would have the same genetic predisposition to disease as the clonee.
    If the problem is a genetic defect then you would "simply" have to repair the DNA, perhaps with viral delivery. If that isn't possible, you can repair it in a new pluripotent cell, and grow the organ. I know we can't do these things effectively yet, but I'm not sure why it would be impossible.

    Most likely defects would occur. Usually in the transcription phase of the DNA. Of course gene splicing and using recombinant DNA techniques could resolve these issues.
    My point is defects are the main reason it's unethical to take a clone to full development right now. Once technology overcomes that issue, cloning per se would no longer be unethical.

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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

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    You don't work for the medical school, do you? If so, tell them they have too many essays on their secondary.
    No, I work for Peptides International curently. But I have worked for various laboratories at the University of Louisville.



    We don't, nor should we, value "life." We should value beings.
    I do not see a difference, unless you are refering to what would give credence to stem-cell research and abortion. I view these as outside of what I was referring to.


    If the problem is a genetic defect then you would "simply" have to repair the DNA, perhaps with viral delivery. If that isn't possible, you can repair it in a new pluripotent cell, and grow the organ. I know we can't do these things effectively yet, but I'm not sure why it would be impossible.
    Manipulation of genome tends to create new mutations, as one has no idea how simple gene deletion or insertion will effect phenotype, or environmental sensitivity.


    My point is defects are the main reason it's unethical to take a clone to full development right now. Once technology overcomes that issue, cloning per se would no longer be unethical.
    I can agree with this to a point. Though, one would be removing the human element from procreation, and turning life into an industry.

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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm from human stem cells | Mail Online



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    Good news or bad?
    Are we going too far across that line?
    As the law stands right now, creating any form of life or fertility treatment through cloning or atificial sperm is illegal and will stay that way, it will need a primary legislation to change it but seeing women can have IVF. Shouldn't men also be able to eventually get access to the same treatment? Infertility of men has been slowly increasing.

    I think the law should be amended if needed for the scientists to research and more power given to the independent body to regulate and enforce the rules.
    My problem with this is that we are allowing inferior genetics to continue to exist.

    A man who uses science to father children, because he can't naturally, will most likely produce male children that will have problems fathering children naturally.

    I don't agree with things like that.
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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    It's ridiculous to even doubt this as a risk to mankind.(Yes, mankind, not womankind. )
    "The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis."

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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I do not see a difference, unless you are refering to what would give credence to stem-cell research and abortion. I view these as outside of what I was referring to.
    This issue draws upon the same battleground, as experiments would require the destruction of embryos, which pro-lifers believe deserve protection.

    The difference is that their criteria of "human life" is simply being a living organism with human DNA. Well sure the cells and tissues are alive, but until they work together in such a way that the brain can experience something, there is no being and nothing deserving of protection. My only prima facie assumption here is that ethics requires the minimization of suffering, so if no suffering is even potentially inflicted there is no ethical dilema. Thus destroying embryos would never be unethical, and not using them for research that could help actual human beings is unethical.

    Manipulation of genome tends to create new mutations, as one has no idea how simple gene deletion or insertion will effect phenotype, or environmental sensitivity.
    But again that would be a technical problem with the sheer complexity of our genetic code, that if/when overcome, would neutralize the moral problem.

    I can agree with this to a point. Though, one would be removing the human element from procreation, and turning life into an industry.
    Fertility clinics already did that, for better or worse.
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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    My sperm are mounting a protest as we speak. They feel this marginalizes them.

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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

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    My sperm are mounting a protest as we speak. They feel this marginalizes them.
    Soon we would hear about billions of sperm protesters being shot to death by the Chinese/Iranian authorities.
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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Soon we would hear about billions of sperm protesters being shot to death by the Chinese/Iranian authorities.
    OH CRAP! I better get to work making sure they are no longer inside of me when that happens.

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    Re: Ethical storm flares as British scientists create artificial sperm

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    This issue draws upon the same battleground, as experiments would require the destruction of embryos, which pro-lifers believe deserve protection.

    The difference is that their criteria of "human life" is simply being a living organism with human DNA. Well sure the cells and tissues are alive, but until they work together in such a way that the brain can experience something, there is no being and nothing deserving of protection. My only prima facie assumption here is that ethics requires the minimization of suffering, so if no suffering is even potentially inflicted there is no ethical dilema. Thus destroying embryos would never be unethical, and not using them for research that could help actual human beings is unethical.



    But again that would be a technical problem with the sheer complexity of our genetic code, that if/when overcome, would neutralize the moral problem.



    Fertility clinics already did that, for better or worse.
    I agree with just about everything here except the highlighted portion. The problem with science and especially genomics, is that it may take several years to realize there is a problem. For example, Parkison's generally does not show symptoms until a person is well-up in age. If we believe we have fixed all the problems and a mutation occurs that is not instantly expressed, then these engineered people will have married, reproduced and spread the new mutation/disorder into the wider population, making it infinitely harder to control and eliminate. That is why I argue it is something that may very well never neutralized or resolved.

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