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    Re: Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    While you guys are (I must assume) doing some more reading, here's what I'd really like to know:

    How come so many are willing to believe that Obama is willfully trying to nationalize everything in sight in a desperate grab for power, but are at the same time not willing to believe that the government might have an interest in establishing prescedent for detaining non-citizens indefinitely without conviction, and that this interest might be that it would permit them to strip dissidents of citizenship and stick them in a dark hole somewhere?


    Obama is trying to nationlize over 1/7th of the us economy..... FACT



    This stripping citzenship to detain indeffinetly is a bit of a stretch....
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    Re: Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Try reading the whole law. See above.
    Here is the entire law and it still doesn't support your hysterical assertions that the Government can just randomly claim you are an alien enemy combatant and strip you of your citizenship.

    But hey, it is your hysterical claim, why don't you just highlight it for me here:

    A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—

    (1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or

    (2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or

    (3) entering, or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign state if
    (A) such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the United States, or
    (B) such persons serve as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer; or

    (4) (A) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years if he has or acquires the nationality of such foreign state; or
    (B) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years for which office, post, or employment an oath, affirmation, or declaration of allegiance is required; or

    (5) making a formal renunciation of nationality before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign state, in such form as may be prescribed by the Secretary of State; or

    (6) making in the United States a formal written renunciation of nationality in such form as may be prescribed by, and before such officer as may be designated by, the Attorney General, whenever the United States shall be in a state of war and the Attorney General shall approve such renunciation as not contrary to the interests of national defense; or

    (7) committing any act of treason against, or attempting by force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States, violating or conspiring to violate any of the provisions of section 2383 of title 18, or willfully performing any act in violation of section 2385 of title 18, or violating section 2384 of title 18 by engaging in a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, if and when he is convicted thereof by a court martial or by a court of competent jurisdiction.

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    Re: Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    has it ever been applied in the way you described?
    I'm not aware of any circumstance under which it has. My point is that it could be, and could be should be enough to alarm anyone.

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    Also I refer you to section 1 of the 14th amendment.
    I'm familiar with the 14th Amendment. What point are you trying to make?
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    Re: Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This stripping citzenship to detain indeffinetly is a bit of a stretch....
    Not legally, it isn't.

    Why are you so willing to believe Obama wants so much power economically speaking, but has not the kind of power we're talking about now?
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    Re: Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    While you guys are (I must assume) doing some more reading, here's what I'd really like to know:

    How come so many are willing to believe that Obama is willfully trying to nationalize everything in sight in a desperate grab for power, but are at the same time not willing to believe that the government might have an interest in establishing prescedent for detaining non-citizens indefinitely without conviction, and that this interest might be that it would permit them to strip dissidents of citizenship and stick them in a dark hole somewhere?
    Very simple Dan, because facts do not support the absurd notion that the government has an interest in establishing precedent for detaining non-citizens indefinitely without conviction and nothing you have posted supports such an absurd assertion.

    Glad to help you out with that one Dan.

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    Re: Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    violating or conspiring to violate any of the provisions of section 2383 of title 18, or willfully performing any act in violation of section 2385 of title 18, or violating section 2384 of title 18
    Now go ahead and read those sections.
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    Re: Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I'm not aware of any circumstance under which it has. My point is that it could be, and could be should be enough to alarm anyone.



    I'm familiar with the 14th Amendment. What point are you trying to make?



    that your "wiggle room" has a block in the US constitution.
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    Re: Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Very simple Dan, because facts do not support the absurd notion that the government has an interest in establishing precedent for detaining non-citizens indefinitely without conviction and nothing you have posted supports such an absurd assertion.
    What?!

    WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens indefinitely even if they have been acquitted of terrorism charges by a U.S. military commission.

    Jeh Johnson, the Defense Department's chief lawyer, told the Senate Armed Services Committee that releasing a detainee who has been tried and found not guilty was a policy decision that officials would make based on their estimate of whether the prisoner posed a future threat.
    They said that they have an interest in doing so.
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    Re: Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Not legally, it isn't.

    Why are you so willing to believe Obama wants so much power economically speaking, but has not the kind of power we're talking about now?



    Does he want that power? I dunno, I haven't seen him move that way. Though if he did, it would be political suicide.
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    Re: Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    that your "wiggle room" has a block in the US constitution.
    I don't see where it does. It states that if you're a natural born citizen you've got all sorts of rights and protections. It doesn't say that you can never lose your citizenship. It doesn't even restrict the circumstances under which you can lose your citizenship.
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