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    Re: Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    See above.
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    Re: Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    See above.



    Ahh, I was looking for that. Still don't see unless you become a jihading moron, you can really have your citizenship revoked....
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    Re: Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    See above.
    This is for the voluntary renunciation of citizenship...?

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    Re: Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    What human rights are they being denied? They are kept in clean facilities, allowed to pray and practice their religion; they are fed three times a day and clothed.
    How about the right to hear the charges against them? Or to challenge those charges? Or to demand to see the proof against them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Why do you pretend this is something it isn't? What part of alien unlawful enemy combatant do you willfully refuse to understand?
    I understand it perfectly. Since the Feds get to decide which natural-born citizens keep their citizenship and under what circumstances, and since as you yourself said :

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Let me ask you something that deals with the REALITY and FACTS behind these alien unlawful enemy combatants; do you believe there can be any actual “criminal” evidence in the heat of battle and war? Do you think that troops searching houses and fighting these combatants document all the crimes witnessed so that they can be tried at a later date in a criminal court of law? What level of absurdity must one wallow in to think that this makes any credible sense?
    . . . I guess all the Feds have to do is strip our citizenship, and state that we're unlawful combatants, and since apologists like you will loudly proclaim that there can never be any actual criminal evidence in the heat of battle and war, they'll be more likely to get away with it.
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    Re: Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Check it out:

    US CODE: Title 8,1481. Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions

    In other words, you are wrong, natural-born citizens can be stripped of their citizenship.

    Now, on top of the fact that some of the provisions are a little . . . vaguely worded . . . if the government can, with an act of law, define when a natural-born citizen is stripped of their citizenship, then the above-cited law need not be the end of the list of things that one can lose one's citizenship for.
    Let’s revue what was originally stated:

    Quote: Originally Posted by stevenb
    While the military and patriot acts are still around, that's exactly what this government can do to it's own citizens.. as long as they call you a terrorist.

    We won't ever see those repealed though.. way too much power for the government to let go of.



    So what part of the following applies to the absurd statements made about the Patriot Act and stripping citizens of their rights do you not comprehend?

    obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or

    (2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or

    (3) entering, or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign state if
    (A) such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the United States, or
    (B) such persons serve as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer; or

    (4) (A) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years if he has or acquires the nationality of such foreign state; or
    (B) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years for which office, post, or employment an oath, affirmation, or declaration of allegiance is required; or


    Please Dan, your desperate attempts to defend the indefensible are making you look ridiculous.

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    Re: Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Ahh, I was looking for that. Still don't see unless you become a jihading moron, you can really have your citizenship revoked....
    You may want to note that the three codes listed under § 1481.a.7 leave lots of wiggle-room.
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    Re: Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Please Dan, your desperate attempts to defend the indefensible are making you look ridiculous.
    Try reading the whole law. See above.
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    Re: Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    How about the right to hear the charges against them? Or to challenge those charges? Or to demand to see the proof against them?
    Since when did alien enemy combatants have the right to hear charges?

    What part of COMBAT do you not get? Do you actually think our soldiers while shooting and fighting document the actions of those they capture so that they can be tried in a civilian court later? Can you name one time in history where this has ever occurred?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I understand it perfectly. Since the Feds get to decide which natural-born citizens keep their citizenship and under what circumstances, and since as you yourself said :
    Once again, nothing you have posted and REALITY and FACTS do not support your hysterical assertions.

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    . . . I guess all the Feds have to do is strip our citizenship, and state that we're unlawful combatants, and since apologists like you will loudly proclaim that there can never be any actual criminal evidence in the heat of battle and war, they'll be more likely to get away with it.
    Once more, these are the remarks which are made in a vacuum of reality and the facts.

    No one can "claim" someone is an alien enemy combatant and then strip them of their citizenship. This is a gross fabrication in a very weak effort to argue something that hasn't occurred, never will occur and merely is desperation in an effort to support the previous farcical claims made by Steve.

    Carry on.

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    Re: Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    You may want to note that the three codes listed under § 1481.a.7 leave lots of wiggle-room.



    has it ever been applied in the way you described?


    Also I refer you to section 1 of the 14th amendment.
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    Re: Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

    While you guys are (I must assume) doing some more reading, here's what I'd really like to know:

    How come so many are willing to believe that Obama is willfully trying to nationalize everything in sight in a desperate grab for power, but are at the same time not willing to believe that the government might have an interest in establishing prescedent for detaining non-citizens indefinitely without conviction, and that this interest might be that it would permit them to strip dissidents of citizenship and stick them in a dark hole somewhere?
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