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    Re: Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    Ugh - if you don't listen to the courts, why give trials at all? Just be honest about it and imprison who you want to imprison
    So you can appease the people in your party who are dissenting against their being held without trial?
    George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to win the war with Britain... He shot them.

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    Re: Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Detainees, Even if Acquitted, Might Not Go Free - Political News - FOXNews.com

    So kiddies, was Bush the evil bastard the media portrayed him to be, or has Obama grown up just a bit and is facing the truth of the war on terror?
    Neither.

    What Dear Leader is several orders of magnitude worse than anything Bush did.

    Guantanamo is a challenge to this country's system of laws because of its extra-judicial nature. Those imprisoned are not held as punishment, but as pre-emption of future attack--something not contemplated in this country outside of a declared war against a foreign nation.

    In many respects, Guantanamo was a bad idea--bad because it does not resolve the underlying challenges of confronting international terrorism, merely kicks that can down the road. No problem can languish forever; eventually a permanent solution must be found, and eventually the detention camps at Guantanamo must be closed. President Bush, we should remember, worked for nearly his entire second term to find permanent dispositions for the detainees, with little success; such is the challenge of Guantanamo.

    However, Dear Leader has neither closed the camps nor resolved the questions. Rather, he has attempted to paper over the questions with a veneer of judicial process that does more violence to the rule of law than indefinite detentions ever could. He has given detainees the mechanics of trial, with none of the benefits of a favorable ruling; by proposing to continue to detain persons despite acquittal before a magistrate, he has bled all substance from the trials, rendering them mere show trials. Show trials are infinitely worse than no trials. Show trials make a mockery of the judicial process and undermine the credibility of the courts; not having trials at all merely asserts a particular limitation to the competencies of the courts--a proposal that terrorists are not an issue the federal judiciary is constructed to confront.

    If we are going to use the courts to resolve matters of international terrorism, then we must accept the consequences of all verdicts, even when the United States does not prevail. If those consequences are not acceptable, if those risks are simply too great, then the proper conclusion is that international terrorism is not a matter the court system is equipped to resolve, and we should pursue alternate solutions.

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    Re: Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

    Yea 'bama!
    Doing something right!
    Woohoooo!


    Hey -- give credit where it's due, right?
    Even if it is of the 'broken clock' variety...

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    Re: Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I think the point is that while it will seek trials for all those apprehended in combat situations, the government will not allow itself to be painted into a legal corner where it must release terrorists from custody. You disagree with that?
    You missed something. I'm sure ti was on purpose.

    The Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens indefinitely even if they have been acquitted of terrorism charges by a U.S. military commission.
    Now, you villified Bush for doing this.
    Where is your similar criticism of your Messiah?

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    Re: Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    So kiddies, was Bush the evil bastard the media portrayed him to be, or has Obama grown up just a bit and is facing the truth of the war on terror?
    Neither.

    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.


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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Detainees, Even if Acquitted, Might Not Go Free - Political News - FOXNews.com

    So kiddies, was Bush the evil bastard the media portrayed him to be, or has Obama grown up just a bit and is facing the truth of the war on terror?
    c) We have a one party system of liars and crooks that have you totally fooled.

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    Re: Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I think the point is that while it will seek trials for all those apprehended in combat situations, the government will not allow itself to be painted into a legal corner where it must release terrorists from custody. You disagree with that?
    Oh, so NOW they're terrorists. They were just innocent prisoners being tortured on an hourly basis last December if I recall.

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    Re: Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Oh, so NOW they're terrorists. They were just innocent prisoners being tortured on an hourly basis last December if I recall.
    Tortured on an hourly basis -for fun- as everyone knows that torture never produces anything useful.

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    Re: Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    c) We have a one party system of liars and crooks that have you totally fooled.
    Don't have me fooled, we have a system of government that the people allow, I don't blame the politicians, I blame the people who have the real power, the voters.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens

    So, where are our resident Bush Bashers now? Where is their anger? Their outrage?

    It's amazing how if you change teh -R to a -D they clam up.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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