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Thread: Rove deposed — over eight hour period — in US Attorney firings

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    Re: Rove deposed — over eight hour period — in US Attorney firings

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Whether Rove is innocent or guilty is not important here.
    Well, actually, what's important is whether or not any crime was committed.

    Oh, wait, the President can haul off and dismiss any US attorney at anytime, because they serve at his pleasure.

    No crime committed.

    Rove can't be guilty.


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    Re: Rove deposed — over eight hour period — in US Attorney firings

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    It took quite a while, but it finally happened. The wheels of justice finally caught up with Karl Rove in the matter of the politically motivated firing of US attorneys, and he testified before a Congressional subcommittee.

    Whether Rove is innocent or guilty is not important here. That will be for the courts to determine, IF Rove is indicted for anything. If he is not indicted and convicted, then he is considered innocent. The important point here is that the concept of the unitary presidency has just absorbed a fatal blow. Presidents and their staff ARE subject to Congressional subpoenas, and when called to testify, must do so. The president is not a king, and those who work for him are not royalty who have the right to disobey lawful orders, unlike any other American. Keep that in mind, President Obama.

    Article is here.
    Do you see any irony in your remarks here; "The wheels of justice finally caught up with Karl Rove" and "Whether Rove is innocent or guilty is not important here"

    What wheels of justice could we be talking about? What is happening here is the John Conyers circus of which the entire premise of this partisan political public display in these Congressional hearings is to savage and impugn political opponents. There is no intent to find any criminal complicity but rather an effort to drag political opponents through the court of public opinion with the help of a drive-by media that has willingly removed any pretence for their political preferences.

    Unfortunately, the Constitution is the thing that is being abused here in that Rove served at the will of the President and constitutionally does not answer to Congress. In addition, Attorney Generals serve at the will of the President and can be dismissed at ANY time. Unfortunately for Bush, he didn't follow precedent and fire ALL of them, just a select few which then turned this into a political circus where farcical claims were made which cannot be proved and which in the end will be shown as pure political partisan hackery.

    I am surprised by anyone who thinks such which hunts are "good" for the nation. It is a frightening precedent we see Democrats engaging in where after victory; the victors spend every waking moment holding hearings intended to impugn their opponents for purely partisan political purposes.

    This partisan hackery along with the damage being inflicted on our economy by a party that suggests that “change” means turning this nation into a 3rd world country; one without morals, without regard for private property rights and one who engages in the act of class warfare by pandering to the ignorant masses in an effort to amass political power to their own party.

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    Re: Rove deposed — over eight hour period — in US Attorney firings

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I have heard people saying this before.

    Would you provide a link to supporting evidence?

    Or is this known by all, and just being ignored?
    FACT; the appointment of US Attorneys in and of itself is political. When Presidents come into office, they can remove old ones and appoint new ones at their pleasure. There is nothing that suggests that they HAVE to be a-political and the notion that this is NOT a political process requires the willful suspension of disbelief.

    Now whether or not anyone likes the reasons behind the removal of a few politically motivated US attorneys, the FACT remains that they are POLITICAL appointees and only serve the term of the President who appointed them. Other than some changes done to the Patriot Act renewal, that is the REALITY.

    United States Attorneys are appointed by, and serve at the discretion of, the President of the United States, with advice and consent of the United States Senate.
    The United States Department of Justice - United States Attorneys' Office

    How U.S. Attorneys are Appointed
    U.S. Attorneys are appointed by the President of the United States for four year terms. Their appointments must be confirmed by a majority vote of the U.S. Senate.

    By law, U.S. Attorneys are subject to removal from their posts by the President of the United States.

    While most U.S. Attorneys serve full four-year terms, usually corresponding to the terms of the president who appointed them, mid-term vacancies do occur.


    About the United States Attorneys

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    Re: Rove deposed — over eight hour period — in US Attorney firings

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    It took quite a while, but it finally happened. The wheels of justice finally caught up with Karl Rove in the matter of the politically motivated firing of US attorneys, and he testified before a Congressional subcommittee.




    Whether Rove is innocent or guilty is not important here. That will be for the courts to determine, IF Rove is indicted for anything. If he is not indicted and convicted, then he is considered innocent. The important point here is that the concept of the unitary presidency has just absorbed a fatal blow. Presidents and their staff ARE subject to Congressional subpoenas, and when called to testify, must do so. The president is not a king, and those who work for him are not royalty who have the right to disobey lawful orders, unlike any other American. Keep that in mind, President Obama.

    Article is here.
    Federal Attorneys serve at the discretion of the POTUS case closed the decisions of your kangaroo courts will be overturned by the SCOTUS when and if the time comes.

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    Re: Rove deposed — over eight hour period — in US Attorney firings

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I am glad that somebody sees my point. Evidently, the hyperpartisans can't, or maybe they just don't want to.
    The separations of powers is not a partisan issue unless of course you have a vendetta against Rove and the Bush Administration.

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    Re: Rove deposed — over eight hour period — in US Attorney firings

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Federal Attorneys serve at the discretion of the POTUS case closed the decisions of your kangaroo courts will be overturned by the SCOTUS when and if the time comes.
    I don't think Danahrea is taking a side. He's only saying that he's glad that someone isn't getting away with being above the law.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Rove deposed — over eight hour period — in US Attorney firings

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I have heard people saying this before.

    Would you provide a link to supporting evidence?

    Or is this known by all, and just being ignored?
    Um do you know how the Executive branch of the Federal Government works? The POTUS can hire or fire anyone within the Executive Branch and Federal Attorneys are a part of the Executive Branch. Think of it like a business where the POTUS is the chairmen of the board.

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    Re: Rove deposed — over eight hour period — in US Attorney firings

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't think Danahrea is taking a side. He's only saying that he's glad that someone isn't getting away with being above the law.
    What law? Federal Attorneys serve at the discretion of the POTUS. The only law that I see being violated here is the separation of powers.

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    Re: Rove deposed — over eight hour period — in US Attorney firings

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    What law? Federal Attorneys serve at the discretion of the POTUS. The only law that I see being violated here is the separation of powers.
    I agree that Rove didn't do a damn thing wrong. Therefore, after this dog-n-pony show is over, he'll be left alone, until the Libbos find some other silly reason to dipose him.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Rove deposed — over eight hour period — in US Attorney firings

    Quote Originally Posted by P/N View Post
    It's about the Executive branch being held accountable. Obama promised transparency and he has done quite the opposite. What Rove is going through will, in all likelihood, happen to Emmanuel.
    has he done the opposite because you haven't done your homework and are believing what you are told? I think so. Of all the presidents I have lived through, he is the most forthright and open president I have ever witnessed. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean he isn't being as transparent as his office allows.

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