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    Re: Franken sworn in as Minnesota senator

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Ron Paul is not an isolationist, he is a non-interventionist, as in Jeffersonian non-interventionism.
    The problem with that is the definition is so broad. It basically amounts to him deciding what is worth intervention and what isn't it, which is what every President is responsible for deciding anyway.

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    Re: Franken sworn in as Minnesota senator

    Quote Originally Posted by G.I. Joe View Post
    The problem with that is the definition is so broad. It basically amounts to him deciding what is worth intervention and what isn't it, which is what every President is responsible for deciding anyway.
    That's fine, but do not misrepresent him as an isolationist. That definition carries with it specific connotations that do not apply to him; the most important of which is an adherence to protectionist economic policy.

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    Re: Franken sworn in as Minnesota senator

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    That's fine, but do not misrepresent him as an isolationist. That definition carries with it specific connotations that do not apply to him; the most important of which is an adherence to protectionist economic policy.
    Fair enough. My fault.

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    Re: Franken sworn in as Minnesota senator

    Quote Originally Posted by G.I. Joe View Post
    The problem with that is the definition is so broad. It basically amounts to him deciding what is worth intervention and what isn't it, which is what every President is responsible for deciding anyway.
    No ...

    It means the US will not intervene where we do not have a vested interest in doing so. That is how he decides what is worth intervening in and what isn't.

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    Re: Franken sworn in as Minnesota senator

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    No ...

    It means the US will not intervene where we do not have a vested interest in doing so. That is how he decides what is worth intervening in and what isn't.
    Exactly.......And who decides where we have a vested interest? Many people feel that we had a vested interest in invading Iraq. Many didn't. It is the President's decision to make.

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    Re: Franken sworn in as Minnesota senator

    Quote Originally Posted by G.I. Joe View Post
    Exactly.......And who decides where we have a vested interest? Many people feel that we had a vested interest in invading Iraq. Many didn't. It is the President's decision to make.
    Actually, as it breaks out with Paul, the non-interventionism basically means not starting a war and not being part of foreign alliances. We would attack if we were attacked first, but never throw the first punch.

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    Re: Franken sworn in as Minnesota senator

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Actually, as it breaks out with Paul, the non-interventionism basically means not starting a war and not being part of foreign alliances. We would attack if we were attacked first, but never throw the first punch.
    So he's an isolationist........(militarily anyway)
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    Re: Franken sworn in as Minnesota senator

    Quote Originally Posted by G.I. Joe View Post
    So an isolationist........
    No, he's not an isolationist. If that's what you think then you do not know what isolationism is.

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    Re: Franken sworn in as Minnesota senator

    Quote Originally Posted by G.I. Joe View Post
    So he's an isolationist........(militarily anyway)
    "Isolationism" is non-interventionalist foreign policy plus economic protectionism.

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    Re: Franken sworn in as Minnesota senator

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    "Isolationism" is non-interventionalist foreign policy plus economic protectionism.
    He may not qualify as an isolationist as it is defined by Websters, but any man who takes a stance of not creating or upholding allies in the world believes in isolation, at least from a foreign policy perspective. When you throw in the "not being part of foreign alliances" part, you go beyond non-interventionism.

    His stance has been tried before. Before both world wars, we had that view. We stayed away from anything remotely related to war, but did allow for imported goods. That stance did not work then, even with the Atlantic and Pacific protecting us. What makes you think it would work in an age of ICBM's?

    It's just not feasible.
    Last edited by G.I. Joe; 07-07-09 at 09:40 PM.

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