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    Re: Franken sworn in as Minnesota senator

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Your own link proves my point. Thank you.
    Actually, no, it doesn't. Did you happen to click on it at all? It shows that he took over half a million from PAC's and tens of thousands more from corporations. Since both of those numbers are greater than zero, it would indicate that he did in fact have plenty of backing from PAC's and corporations.

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    Re: Franken sworn in as Minnesota senator

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Actually, no, it doesn't. Did you happen to click on it at all? It shows that he took over half a million from PAC's and tens of thousands more from corporations. Since both of those numbers are greater than zero, it would indicate that he did in fact have plenty of backing from PAC's and corporations.
    It showed Franken received 3% of his funding from PACs while Coleman received 17%. And the PAC that donated to Franken's campaign? It was his own PAC, the Midwest Values PAC. So unless you have some other evidence that shows Franken is in the pocket of some corporate interest (which you don't) perhaps you should do a bit more research before you make a bigger fool of yourself.
    Midwest Values PAC

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    Re: Franken sworn in as Minnesota senator

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Apparently they do. He's the winner and you, obviously, are a loser. GO AL!!

    I don't think you care who won as long as they have a (D) behind their name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    It showed Franken received 3% of his funding from PACs while Coleman received 17%.
    Last I checked, 3 > 0. Why are you claiming otherwise? Oh yeah, goalpost moving. Brilliant tactic.
    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    And the PAC that donated to Franken's campaign? It was his own PAC, the Midwest Values PAC. So unless you have some other evidence that shows Franken is in the pocket of some corporate interest (which you don't) perhaps you should do a bit more research before you make a bigger fool of yourself.
    Midwest Values PAC
    Midwest Values PAC accounts for a whopping $5000. On the other hand, he received almost $49,000 from Time Warner, $40,000 from moveon.org and $22,000 from News Corp (*gasp!* FOX News!).

    Fool, indeed.

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    Re: Franken sworn in as Minnesota senator

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Maybe if you stopped all the childish name calling, you'd get people responding more substantively to your posts. Calling someone a dumbass (which I reported, by the way), is the behavior of a child. What is the matter with you? Not only that, but your bashing of anything liberal in the manner that you're doing it doesn't make someone want to debate with you on an intellectual level. Reconsider your demeanor, will you?
    Ok, Mr. Hall Monitor(Another name, OOPS!!!) Did you actually read the post I was responding to? It wasn't exactly respectful and didn't exactly maintain a high level of discourse. I didn't call him that merely because I hate liberals. I actually engage in fruitful debate with liberals all the time. If you'll actually pay attention, he was the one who started with the cursing. I merely returned the favor. I have a feeling that if the situation were turned around, and I were a liberal, that post would have never been reported. Whatever, though. Have a nice day.

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    Re: Franken sworn in as Minnesota senator

    Quote Originally Posted by G.I. Joe View Post
    No, I call it what it is regardless of who does it, as I did in the post you quoted. Jesus? What does Jesus have to do with any of this? That doesn't even make sense. And Reagan increasing national defense spending was the reason we won the cold war without firing a shot. Maintaining a stout military is a tried and true way of maintaining the peace. If you can't see the difference in that type of spending and creating government dependance through entitlement programs, I really don't know what to tell you.
    So what you're saying is vast government programs are ok when you agree with them.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Franken sworn in as Minnesota senator

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    So what you're saying is vast government programs are ok when you agree with them.
    Do you honestly not see the difference in a strong national defense and welfare? I'll help you out. The military provides a service. They act as defenders of our nation, and history has shown that when it is properly funded, it acts as a good deterrent to conflict.

    Entitlement programs, however, yield absolutely no return to society, and actually have a net negative effect by creating a culture of government dependency.

    So, yes, in essence vast government programs are ok as long as I agree with them. However, it should be noted that national defense is the main purpose of government.
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    Re: Franken sworn in as Minnesota senator

    Quote Originally Posted by G.I. Joe View Post
    Do you honestly not see the difference in a strong national defense and welfare? I'll help you out. The military provides a service. They act as defenders of our nation, and history has shown that when it is properly funded, it acts as a good deterrent to conflict.

    Entitlement programs, however, yield absolutely no return to society, and actually have a net negative effect by creating a culture of government dependency.
    See, those are your opinions, other people have different ones.

    However they clearly establish that you are not against "big government" you're just against things you disagree with.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Franken sworn in as Minnesota senator

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    See, those are your opinions, other people have different ones.

    However they clearly establish that you are not against "big government" you're just against things you disagree with.
    Big military does not equal big government. The military can maintain a stout presense without the government involving itself in the private sector.

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    Re: Franken sworn in as Minnesota senator

    Quote Originally Posted by G.I. Joe View Post
    Big military does not equal big government. The military can maintain a stout presense without the government involving itself in the private sector.
    No, big government is the government spending huge amounts of money and mobilizing millions of citizens, which is EXACTLY what the military is. All the true libertarian Enlightenment liberals that wrote the constitution were terrified of the government having a standing army.

    And the military industrial complex makes a mockery of any kind of market relationship between the government and arms builders.

    You don't dislike big government, you just like buying bombs more then feeding people.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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