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    Re: Obama agrees arms cuts, Afghan transit with Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    This is the first time (I think) that Obama has met Medvedev or Putin since he became president. He didn't go to Russia with the intent to solve every single point of contention we have with them. The State Department usually lays the groundwork for major policy agreements behind the scenes, and the President just shows up to sign it. .
    That is all correct.

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    The purpose of this meeting was mostly for Obama to meet with the Russian leaders and to pledge a new beginning in our relations. .
    At the meeting Obama made an impression of a baboon taking the place of the POTUS and pledged the continuation of the same relations.

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    Neither country is really giving anything up. .
    That is correct.

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    But most importantly, it flatters the Russians, because they will believe that their country has just helped make the world a safer place. More than anything, most Russian people just want to be taken seriously by the United States. .
    Putin has explicitly said that the world does not consist of the US, or the US do not make up the world. Russian people do not take the United States as seriously as the United States wants them to do. The poem says – we Russians have our own pride. With the Russian state Department pointing to Putin making his traditional jokes – Russians take Obama and the US as a joke.

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    Re: Obama agrees arms cuts, Afghan transit with Russia

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    I am just trying to make a Putin’s style reply.

    Little children trust their mothers. We know that. You are not a child, and I am not your mother. I am not asking you trust me, and the less I need your trust when you are not sure. We want to build our relation like a business partnership. And we have to look at all the details to make the business mutually profitable. If any detail is unclear to you you have to address it openly amd directly, and to expect the same from other side.

    This is difference between the 2 politicians. Obama wants you to trust him not going into any details. Putin does not want you to trust him, but to trust yourself. It seems like many in the US have a big problem with trusting themselves. And you express it.

    Did I ever say in my posts “trust me’? No. I always said look at the details and make an attempt to trust to yourself. Not to me, not to what you know from somebody else, but to yourself.

    You are wrong – God is in details, evil avoids details.
    justone, "devil is in the details" is a figure of speech. Don't get wrapped about the axle.
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    Re: Obama agrees arms cuts, Afghan transit with Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    justone, "devil is in the details" is a figure of speech. Don't get wrapped about the axle.


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    Re: Obama agrees arms cuts, Afghan transit with Russia

    The arms cuts where meaningless and at worse detrimental to US strategic air assets.

    The Russian allowing weaponry to be flown instead of railed through their nation was just something they gave as a gift...btw how many tons of ammo can you carry by rail vs air?.. Obama played no role in it whatsoever and its value is marginal e at best.


    Putin and his puppet Medenev played glory boy like a top.... and won.
    Putin will be more ambitious in the future as he should be...
    Ukraine better start sweating because Putin covets chunk of that nation and Obama clearly will trade it for a speech.

    Putin is a real leader..wish we had a President like him...as long as we don't Putin wil gladly take full advantage.

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    Re: Obama agrees arms cuts, Afghan transit with Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    The arms cuts where meaningless and at worse detrimental to US strategic air assets.
    It's not detrimental. Meaningless, yes. But that's OK. It's a goodwill gesture from the United States to Russia.

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad
    The Russian allowing weaponry to be flown instead of railed through their nation was just something they gave as a gift...btw how many tons of ammo can you carry by rail vs air?.. Obama played no role in it whatsoever and its value is marginal e at best.
    Marginally valuable, yes. But that's OK. It's a goodwill gesture from Russia to the United States.

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad
    Putin and his puppet Medenev played glory boy like a top.... and won.
    Putin will be more ambitious in the future as he should be...
    Ukraine better start sweating because Putin covets chunk of that nation and Obama clearly will trade it for a speech.

    Putin is a real leader..wish we had a President like him...as long as we don't Putin wil gladly take full advantage.
    I'm trying to figure out what you think Obama "traded for a speech" or how Putin "took full advantage," since you agree that both our token gesture and theirs were meaningless. Did I miss Obama's announcement that we were withdrawing from NATO? Was it on during the MJ funeral?
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    Re: Obama agrees arms cuts, Afghan transit with Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    You prefer a nuclear standoff?
    Yes simple and plain it work for 40+ Years I don't Trust Mr. Putin as far as I can throw him.

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    Re: Obama agrees arms cuts, Afghan transit with Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Yes simple and plain it work for 40+ Years I don't Trust Mr. Putin as far as I can throw him.
    Don't trust him to do what? Are you saying you DID trust the Soviets?
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    Re: Obama agrees arms cuts, Afghan transit with Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Don't trust him to do what? Are you saying you DID trust the Soviets?
    ''For us in Russia communism is a dead dog. For many people in the West, it is still a living lion.” Alexander Solzhenitsyn (Russian novelist, Nobel Prize for Literature (1970)

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    To make sure, I don't mean you, Kandahar in this particular case.


    Edit. I am glad to see that you have intelligence to see that I don't mean you. I am just getting over superstitious. Some people keep on fighting with chimeras (lions) of their own minds and always think that when i post, i insult. I appologize.


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    Re: Obama agrees arms cuts, Afghan transit with Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Don't trust him to do what? Are you saying you DID trust the Soviets?
    Yes and No at least with the former USSR you knew what you where getting with Mr. Putin ewho know what your getting. I'll take the good old days of the Cold War over this new BS or New Cold ar as some of the Media Folks like to throw around.

    As for the so-called Arms Cut I'll believe it when Congress ratifies the Treaty since they have to before any Weapons can be cut up(Oh Snap forgot about that one huh Mr. Obama).

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    Re: Obama agrees arms cuts, Afghan transit with Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Yes and No at least with the former USSR you knew what you where getting with Mr. Putin ewho know what your getting. I'll take the good old days of the Cold War over this new BS or New Cold ar as some of the Media Folks like to throw around.
    I don't see any reason to believe that Putin or Medvedev are less trustworthy than the Soviets. They haven't really double-crossed us on anything important that I can think of.

    And I think the idea of a "New Cold War" is fundamentally incorrect. Russia's power is a fraction of the USSR's power, it doesn't have any ideology to spread other than pro-Russian policies, and neither we nor they necessarily regard each other as enemies. They're more rivals than enemies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89
    As for the so-called Arms Cut I'll believe it when Congress ratifies the Treaty since they have to before any Weapons can be cut up(Oh Snap forgot about that one huh Mr. Obama).
    I don't think the outcome of that is really in doubt. Congress will certainly ratify it, probably by a very large (maybe unanimous?) margin.
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