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    Re: Former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara Dies

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    The Malaysia fight with the commies was earlier and the brits handled that.
    Yup. My point stands.
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    Re: Former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara Dies

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Even in '45, the OSS had given Ho chi Mihn support in his struggle against the Japanese. He had communist support, but he was a committed nationalist. He would have cheerfully become a capitalist if it meant independence for his country.

    The entire cold war was pretty much a bunch of 3rd world nations pretending to support America/Soviet ideals in return for money and weapons. In truth, they cared nothing for which side they were on, only on what material goods they could get.
    We spported the bleeping devil in WWII as you know we supported Stalin and the USSR how much closer to the devil and communist can you get. We also supported TITO in the former Yugoslavia over the good guy what's his name during WW II.
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    Re: Former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara Dies

    Quote Originally Posted by Tubub View Post
    No, that wasn't the goal -.- It's that simple... our goal was to try and stop the dominoes falling and continued Communist expansion to the east. Laos and Cambodia falling were directed consequences of Vietnam's fall... But, was there a successful Communist uprising in Malaysia, the Philipinnes, or Indonesia? The answer is no. The dominoes were stopped cold.
    Not completely cold. There was a fairly significant communist presence in the Philippines as late as the early 90s. They killed some American military members and contractors, and had compiled hit lists for some others. There were many areas of the country we couldn't go to because of them when I was stationed there.
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    Re: McNamara dies

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    OMG I think I have wine that old !!
    Hell, I've got Scotch older than that!

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    Re: McNamara dies

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Who is he?
    Robert McNamara was the Secretary of Defense (SecDef) during the administrations of President Kennedy and President Johnson. A lot of people believe that McNamara was in part responsible for the debacle that was the Vietnam War.

    And FWIW - Don't be dismayed if you don't know who he is (was). You need to study American political history or the Vietnam War - or else have lived through it - to know his name.

    Besides, I'd guess that better than 50% of the posters on this website don't know who James Callaghan is.
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    Re: McNamara dies

    Quote Originally Posted by SpotsCat View Post
    Besides, I'd guess that better than 50% of the posters on this website don't know who James Callaghan is.
    Big Jim was the only person in English Political History to hold all four major office's, Prime Minister, Chancellor of the Exchequer, Home Secretary and Foreign Secretary.

    He was the PM and head of Labor that lost to Lady Thatcher in 1979 he was the PM during what is now called The Winter of Discontent in England (1978-1979).

    He was the longest living PM and longest serving public official in England and in 1983 became Father of the House being the longest serving Elected Official in England history and on eof only two to be part of the 1945 elections and still elected.

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    Re: McNamara dies

    Quote Originally Posted by SpotsCat View Post
    Besides, I'd guess that better than 50% of the posters on this website don't know who James Callaghan is.

    Heh, he was a right old idiot over the winter of discontent and his response


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    Re: Former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara Dies

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Please noted which year I stated 1965 not 1969 big difference if Rolling Thunder had attacked Hanoi and Haiphong in 65 things would have been very different.
    Why would that have made a difference?
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    Re: McNamara dies

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Give her a break she is too young. She probably thinks that President Hoover founded the vacuum cleaner company instead of starting a depression LOL !!!


    I have a pretty good idea on who US's Presidents are generally.
    The depression was something that is in our curriculum on this side of the Atlantic. I'm not sure what you were taught in Secondary


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    Re: McNamara dies

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    mcnamara was a child prodigy, who subscribed to the belief in his greatness

    he thought he could apply his "whiz kid" analytical approaches that he used at ford to create efficiencies in the military

    he was very wrong about that, and later about our prospects for success in vietnam

    he was the wrong fellow in the wrong job at the wrong time ... the blame most goes to the person who selected him for the position: JFK

    later, mcnamara screwed up the world bank about like he did our defense department

    he epitomized the saying that being smart is not enough
    You pretty much hit the proverbial nail on the head with this one. Bravo....

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