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    Re: Former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara Dies

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Ho Chi Mihn was a nationalist, and had no idealist embracing of communism. He even came to the U.S. in 1919 and asked Wilson to push for the freedom of his country. We made him an enemy by constantly supporting colonialism. He went to the communists because they would support him when we would not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Who is he?
    He had that band !!! Have you never heard of McNamara's band ? You don't get out much do you?

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    Re: Former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara Dies

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Vietnam was already lost in 1954, long before the war went hot. Vietnam had fought off the Japanese in 1945 and were ready to become independent, and then the French decided they wanted to recolonize the area. America sold out is values and backed French imperialism over its own democratic ideals. Then in 1954 after the French got stomped, we then decided to back a horrible dictator like Diem.

    Ho Chi Mihn was a nationalist, and had no idealist embracing of communism. He even came to the U.S. in 1919 and asked Wilson to push for the freedom of his country. We made him an enemy by constantly supporting colonialism. He went to the communists because they would support him when we would not.

    By 63, the odds were horribly stacked against the U.S. The government in Saigon was utterly unable to stand on its own. Even if we had won a military victory, it would not have been enough. Even a defeated NVA army would have been enough to smash the ARVN forces if we left. Unless we wanted to stay forever, south Vietnam was going to fall.
    My recollectin was that Ho Chi Mihn was in thick with the REDS while that goat-teed little imp was in France. I could be wrong, I was wrong once that century !!
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    Re: McNamara dies

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Your Kidding right you have no idea who he is. This explains allot about some of your post then.
    Give her a break she is too young. She probably thinks that President Hoover founded the vacuum cleaner company instead of starting a depression LOL !!

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    Re: McNamara dies

    Quote Originally Posted by Tubub View Post
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    I'm 16
    OMG I think I have wine that old !!
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    Re: Former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara Dies

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    And I won't spell it out for you. Communist expansion continued AFTER the US lost the war. The goal of the war was to STOP communist expansion, not slow it down.

    When we entered the war, the goal was to prevent North Vietnam form defeating South Vietnam. Since that goal was never attained, we can't change the goal posts and cal lit a victory because something we didn't know would happen, but feared might happen, didn't actually happen.
    No, that wasn't the goal -.- It's that simple... our goal was to try and stop the dominoes falling and continued Communist expansion to the east. Laos and Cambodia falling were directed consequences of Vietnam's fall... But, was there a successful Communist uprising in Malaysia, the Philipinnes, or Indonesia? The answer is no. The dominoes were stopped cold.

    The goal was much broader than that. Your calling it a victory, I'm calling it a partial victory. There is a huge difference...

    You see everything in black and white. The world is gray Tucker... gray.



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    woww... thanks for proving my point
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    Re: McNamara dies

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    No i am not
    I was clearly taking you for a fool and you fell for it
    ohoh , be nice to your elders !!!
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    Re: Former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara Dies

    My recollectin was that Ho Chi Mihn was in thick with the REDS while that goat-teed little imp was in France. I could be wrong, I was wrong once that century !!
    Even in '45, the OSS had given Ho chi Mihn support in his struggle against the Japanese. He had communist support, but he was a committed nationalist. He would have cheerfully become a capitalist if it meant independence for his country.

    The entire cold war was pretty much a bunch of 3rd world nations pretending to support America/Soviet ideals in return for money and weapons. In truth, they cared nothing for which side they were on, only on what material goods they could get.

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    Re: Former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara Dies

    Quote Originally Posted by Tubub View Post
    No, that wasn't the goal -.- It's that simple... our goal was to try and stop the dominoes falling and continued Communist expansion to the east. Laos and Cambodia falling were directed consequences of Vietnam's fall... But, was there a successful Communist uprising in Malaysia, the Philipinnes, or Indonesia? The answer is no. The dominoes were stopped cold.

    The goal was much broader than that. Your calling it a victory, I'm calling it a partial victory. There is a huge difference...

    You see everything in black and white. The world is gray Tucker... gray.



    woww... thanks for proving my point

    The Malaysia fight with the commies was earlier and the brits handled that.
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    Re: McNamara dies

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    OMG I think I have wine that old !!
    “Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checked by failure...than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat.”
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