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    Scores killed in China protests

    BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | Scores killed in China protests

    Violence in China's restive western region of Xinjiang has left at least 140 people dead and more than 800 people injured, state media say.

    Several hundred people were arrested after a protest, in the city of Urumqi on Sunday, turned violent.

    Beijing says Uighurs went on the rampage but one exiled Uighur leader says police fired on students.

    The protest was reportedly prompted by a deadly fight between Uighurs and Han Chinese in southern China last month.

    The BBC's Chris Hogg in Shanghai says this is one of the most serious clashes between the authorities and demonstrators in China since Tiananmen Square in 1989.
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    Re: Scores killed in China protests

    It doesn't seem like China is going anywhere anytime soon. That government has no sympathy for their people, and too many people are oblivious and indifferent to politics to care.

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    Re: Scores killed in China protests

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    It doesn't seem like China is going anywhere anytime soon. That government has no sympathy for their people, and too many people are oblivious and indifferent to politics to care.
    China has one-up on Iran, in that they have what is called "The Great Firewall of China." They can virtually block any unwanted twittering or internet information being dessiminated. Add to the mix, that the Uighur people are more closely related to Arabs, than Hun Chinese, thus most of the country would not give it a second thought.
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    Western values contain the belief that all human beings naturally yearn for liberty, because they are endowed by their Creator so. I don't know if these are related, but anytime people strive to increase their liberty it's a good thing.
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    Re: Scores killed in China protests

    The Chinese government would, I expect, be willing to slaughter millions to maintain stability.

    My understanding of the overall Chinese culture, is that it places a far, far higher value on stability than ours.

    And I've never accepted the proposition that liberty is a universal human yearning. It should be, but if it were history would be very different indeed.
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    Re: Scores killed in China protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    The Chinese government would, I expect, be willing to slaughter millions to maintain stability.

    My understanding of the overall Chinese culture, is that it places a far, far higher value on stability than ours.

    And I've never accepted the proposition that liberty is a universal human yearning. It should be, but if it were history would be very different indeed.
    The Chinese people very much want liberty. However, their culture is heavily influenced by the philosophy of Confuscius, who claimed that Datong or the grand harmony was much better for the people of the country. Datong is what has led to the Chinese people accepting socialism for so many decades.

    However, as capitalism raises the living conditions of the Chinese, liberty is becoming a stronger cry in the voices of the student population. Most scholars agree that sooner or later freedom will find it's way to China. The means to that freedom is the topic of hot debate.

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    Re: Scores killed in China protests

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Western values contain the belief that all human beings naturally yearn for liberty, because they are endowed by their Creator so. I don't know if these are related, but anytime people strive to increase their liberty it's a good thing.
    Aye, but I hold little hope for China currently. It's ennobling to see some of the Chinese people rise up, and if they were ever to work together there's nothing the government could do to stop a revolution. But I think too much as been indoctrinated about the State and I fear the government is well too willing to engage in treason and tyranny against its people. I doubt there will be the things the likes we are seeing in Iran in China anytime soon, regardless of how desperately they need it.
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    Re: Scores killed in China protests

    When are these people going to learn:

    You don't f**k with China...

    They made a wall you can see from space using the blood and bones of their own people as mortar...

    You do NOT f**k with these people...

    Westerners and their "I am so damn important" egocentric ideology cannot understand that the group ALWAYS trumps the indidividual when you have always, and for thousans of RECORDED years of history had millions of people...

    When you always have so many people on tap, you can lose a few and not sweat it.

    Thats ingrained in their culture, you can either comprehend they think differently than you and have a different value sytem, or you can cry about it as you sit on your computer that was made of 97% parts made in China...

    Iran has a MUCH better chance at democracy than China, if they can throw off the theocracy that is...
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    Re: Scores killed in China protests

    It's almost as if all the world stage is choreographed more than anyone could just imagine. And all the world leader are secretly best friends and sharing notes on population control. Like the world is some sick experiment on what will work and what won't.
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    I don't think this protest will have a big influence on Chine, because it's a minority group Uighur who is protesting. So it can just be put away as "extremist separatist that wants to tore apart China" by the Chinese goverment. But it's intersting in a bigger picture with more and more protest amongst the Chinese people out in the provinces both amongst the Chinese mayority as well the minority groups. That it's still a huge gap between the more and more well off middleclass in the big cities and the huge number of poor out in the provinces. Their many provinces still havn't had seen much of development. The problem with Tibet and maybe also their the Uighur, is that the mayority Chinese get the good education and jobs, that at the same time is them who useally run and owns the companies.

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