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    Re: Scores killed in China protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I forgot to add, the reason for the original demonstration was that there was an incident a week ago at a factory between Han Chinese and Uighurs that turned violent. I don't know the specifics yet but will soon. The demonstrators took to the street to demand that the government address tensions between the two ethnic groups.

    Also, it is important to note that when the Uighur protest started, Han Chinese people living in the cities also took to the streets with weapons to attack the protestors, but their government will never mention that.

    Xinjiang is essentially another country. It is ethnically closer to the Middle East (like the other -stans of the former Soviet Bloc) than it is to Asiatic China, but the Communists seized control of it after their rise, along with Tibet.

    It is an annexed nation faced with the premise of gradual cultural genocide.

    Orius,

    I thank you for your wonderfully revealing posts. There are very few on this forum that post on China, and it is the area of my graduate studies. I have known for a while now, how the Beijing government is tearing down the old cultures of China and replacing it with their likeness. It has been happening in Tibet for a few decades now, and I am deeply saddened to learn the same is befalling the Uighers. I have written my Senators many times on the failure of the U.S. government to call China on it's human rights abuses and tyrannical government. I found it very ironic that a government that supports China, spokeout against Iran for human rights violations and corruption. Please, share as much as possible with this forum, or PM me personally if you will. Again, thanks for sharing your experience.

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    Re: Scores killed in China protests

    Sounds like the Han Chinese are engaging in a long term, methodical process of ethnic cleansing in the region.
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    Re: Scores killed in China protests

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Sounds like the Han Chinese are engaging in a long term, methodical process of ethnic cleansing in the region.
    You are quite right. The same has been so also in Tibet, as the Tibetans more closely resemble Indians than Chinese, culturally and ethnically. China has long held the fear, that if Tibet were to gain independence, then it would ally with India and allow the Indians to build bases in Tibet, thus nullifying China's biggest defense against India, the Himalayan Mountains. Beijing is constantly consolidating power, and this ethnic cleansing is their way of shoring-up the borders.

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    Re: Scores killed in China protests

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Orius,

    I thank you for your wonderfully revealing posts. There are very few on this forum that post on China, and it is the area of my graduate studies. I have known for a while now, how the Beijing government is tearing down the old cultures of China and replacing it with their likeness. It has been happening in Tibet for a few decades now, and I am deeply saddened to learn the same is befalling the Uighers. I have written my Senators many times on the failure of the U.S. government to call China on it's human rights abuses and tyrannical government. I found it very ironic that a government that supports China, spokeout against Iran for human rights violations and corruption. Please, share as much as possible with this forum, or PM me personally if you will. Again, thanks for sharing your experience.
    Our governments - and I include Canada in my assessment - are all hypocritical liars. They only care about freedom and liberity for their OWN people, and it is still tightly controlled. Our governments talk big about human rights around the world, but they are enablers for some of the most brutal regimes. All they care about is economy and making money, getting cheap imports for the corporations (which, by the way, they then charge US ten fold for to make obscene profits), and then turn around and make petty, useless condemnations of humans rights in China.

    Our governments are just as guilty for what happened in Xinjiang as the Chinese government itself is. Our purchases are funding their genocide, and our governments don't give a ****.

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    Re: Scores killed in China protests

    Wasn't it Clinton who gave them most favored nation status?
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    Re: Scores killed in China protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Our governments - and I include Canada in my assessment - are all hypocritical liars. They only care about freedom and liberity for their OWN people, and it is still tightly controlled. Our governments talk big about human rights around the world, but they are enablers for some of the most brutal regimes. All they care about is economy and making money, getting cheap imports for the corporations (which, by the way, they then charge US ten fold for to make obscene profits), and then turn around and make petty, useless condemnations of humans rights in China.

    Our governments are just as guilty for what happened in Xinjiang as the Chinese government itself is. Our purchases are funding their genocide, and our governments don't give a ****.
    I try to look at this from another angle, and hope that the economic trade will eventually lead to a softening of the Chinese government and eventually lead to a democratic movement. Realistically speaking, I feel that the integration of China into the world market has only led to feeding a waking monster, that is on course to take global dominance. Trying to make bigger profits has only worked against this country in the end.

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    Re: Scores killed in China protests

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Wasn't it Clinton who gave them most favored nation status?
    China still does not have most favored nation status, due to their refusal to adjust the yuan (RMB) and their blocking and high tariffs placed on American goods. This is why our trade deficit is so high. They allow virtually no U.S. goods in and we allow all Chinese goods to be imported in our country. If they would drop these barriers, they would then indeed recieve most favored nation.

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    Re: Scores killed in China protests

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    China still does not have most favored nation status, due to their refusal to adjust the yuan (RMB) and their blocking and high tariffs placed on American goods. This is why our trade deficit is so high. They allow virtually no U.S. goods in and we allow all Chinese goods to be imported in our country. If they would drop these barriers, they would then indeed recieve most favored nation.
    According to [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_Favored_Nation]Most favoured nation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame] China has this status.
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    Re: Scores killed in China protests

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I just looked it up on a few other sites and you are right, that ****ing idiot Clinton indeed gave China MFN! I thought it was allowed to expire in 1998, after China was caught stealing and selling U.S. military secrets. But according to the CATO center, Clinton renewed it in 2000. That really pisses me off, as China engages in seriously one-sided trade with the U.S.

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    Re: Scores killed in China protests

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Sounds like the Han Chinese are engaging in a long term, methodical process of ethnic cleansing in the region.
    If by "Han Chinese" you mean "the Chinese government," you would be correct.

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