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    Re: Scores killed in China protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    No time to read the article: what were they protesting? What were they seeking?
    Being second class citizens in an area they were indigenous (at least for a long time if not originally) to that is now overrun with Han Chinese... basically Tibet Jr. with less western sympathy cause they are Islamic and not something cool like Buddhism...

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    Re: Scores killed in China protests

    So what exactly are the protesters protesting about? Wasn't it for Muslim rights?

    But I can agree with these protesters being arrested, they should not have been killed though. Large numbers of them were arrested though, because they began protesting violently. They deny this, but they were flipping buses and police cars, the US would have put them in jail to. They were not put in jail for religious reasons, but because they were rioting.

    I love the advancement of freedom and liberty, but I wanted to clear that up. No one should have died, but the Chinese government was just to put them in jail, but they should not be harmed. Peaceful protests should be allowed.

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    Re: Scores killed in China protests

    Isn't this an ethnic issue involving Muslims? If anything could go toe-to-toe with the fanatacism of the Chinese military it would for certain, be the muslim resolve to Allah.
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    Re: Scores killed in China protests

    There was a clash between the Uigher population, which are Muslim and the migrant Hun Chinese a few months back over an alledge rape of a Muslim girl. After the clash, no investigation was conducted into the charges. The Muslim population, which are indeed the indigenous and for a long time, autonomous region of China, felt that they are being treated as second class citizens to the newly arrived Huns, by the Bejing government.

    Their protest was getting out-of-hand as they destroyed property and vehicles. The government police, however, escalated things by opening fire without warning.

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    Re: Scores killed in China protests

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    There was a clash between the Uigher population, which are Muslim and the migrant Hun Chinese a few months back over an alledge rape of a Muslim girl. After the clash, no investigation was conducted into the charges. The Muslim population, which are indeed the indigenous and for a long time, autonomous region of China, felt that they are being treated as second class citizens to the newly arrived Huns, by the Bejing government.

    Their protest was getting out-of-hand as they destroyed property and vehicles. The government police, however, escalated things by opening fire without warning.
    I am will sorry but what you said is totally oppsite. I don't know where you got this information or what is your purpose? no Muslim girl involved in this issue. it's rumor of rape of two han girls caused confilict between han and Uigher.

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    Re: Scores killed in China protests

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    There was a clash between the Uigher population, which are Muslim and the migrant Hun Chinese a few months back over an alledge rape of a Muslim girl.
    Tlmorg02,

    Actually, the rumors concerned the possible raping of two women by Uighurs. From Reuters:

    Police say Sunday's clashes were triggered by a brawl between Uighurs and Han at a factory in south China prompted by a rumor Uighurs had raped two women.

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    Re: Scores killed in China protests

    Frankly I don't think anyone is surprised by the results of these protests. The PLA, police or whatever responded per their MO.
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    Re: Scores killed in China protests

    Hi everyone,

    As I said in my going away message, I was headed to Xinjiang where this happened. I just exited. Fortunately I was not in Urumqi when this happened, or even in Kashgar where some unrest spread.

    There are a few contacts I made there and they all are very worried. The protest started as a peaceful demonstration but those are not allowed. When people were arrested, family members joined the scores in order demand the return of their arrested relatives. Then things spiraled.

    The Han Chinese have been steadily invading this region economically and culturally. You walk through the old towns and they all have 拆 spraypainted on the old buildings, meaning "demolish". The Han are systemically destroying all of the Uighur towns and replacing them with ghettos or wealthy living quarters for the Han. Many people have had family members go missing, never returned. Uighur business is being forced out and replaced with Han business. The government is indeed up to very dirty business.

    I am now in a Tibetan village where the tensions are similar. Before the olympics, they imposed 8pm curfews on the towns. Everyone had to turn off their electricity and be in their homes. At 8pm sharp, military vehicles would roll in and inspect every home. Imagine this is your daily life, where tourism of a foreign culture is forced upon your ancestral home that smashes your old buildings and replaces them with foreign architecture; imagine being at your place of worship and there are government loud speakers blasting propaganda while you pray (like in Lhasa), in order to silence your way of life; imagine your son or daughter is dragged away because all they are demonstrating for is the right to peacefully live out their traditions as their forefathers did, and you never see them again; imagine the new conquerers then marching in and proclaiming that they are the civilizing force, bringing prosperity to your "barbaric" existence; imagine railways being built through your lands to enable more invaders, demolishing your villages, mosques, and monasteries along the way. We saw this in the West when the European Imperialists raped and pillaged countries with this same tactic, spreading lies and misinformation to their own people. It is modern imperialism at its finest.

    The Chinese government has no guilt about this. They feel they are entitled to do what they want, and every single nation on Earth is enabling their evil, corrupt, murdering behavior. I heard plenty about the injustices here, but to see them with my own eyes and hear about them from the locals makes my blood boil.

    The best thing you can do is write to your congressman, a gift that is granted to us by our free societies and one that few people EVER use, and tell them to demand that congress stop supporting Chinese economy and issue sanctions. It is the only way. While we in the West are enjoying the luxuries of cheap imports, cultures that are thousands of years old (i.e. the Tibetans who are 6000 years old), are being erased and taken away into the night. WRITE to your government, it is their job to hear you. You have no idea how lucky you are to be able to protest and demand action.

    I am so angry right now.
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    Re: Scores killed in China protests

    I forgot to add, the reason for the original demonstration was that there was an incident a week ago at a factory between Han Chinese and Uighurs that turned violent. I don't know the specifics yet but will soon. The demonstrators took to the street to demand that the government address tensions between the two ethnic groups.

    Also, it is important to note that when the Uighur protest started, Han Chinese people living in the cities also took to the streets with weapons to attack the protestors, but their government will never mention that.

    Xinjiang is essentially another country. It is ethnically closer to the Middle East (like the other -stans of the former Soviet Bloc) than it is to Asiatic China, but the Communists seized control of it after their rise, along with Tibet.

    It is an annexed nation faced with the premise of gradual cultural genocide.

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    Re: Scores killed in China protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Allen_lv View Post
    I am will sorry but what you said is totally oppsite. I don't know where you got this information or what is your purpose? no Muslim girl involved in this issue. it's rumor of rape of two han girls caused confilict between han and Uigher.
    Thanks Allen, I did indeed have it backwards, apologies.

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