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    US-Russian Arms Negotiators "Under the Gun," Might Temporarily Bypass Senate Ratifica

    For the past 8 years we've been hearing, "the rule of law...the rule of law...the rule of law...", from the Libbos. I guess the Constitution really is just a, "goddamned piece of paper", afterall.


    MOSCOW -- With the clock running out on a new US-Russian arms treaty before the previous Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty, or START, expires on December 5, a senior White House official said Sunday said that the difficulty of the task might mean temporarily bypassing the Senate’s constitutional role in ratifying treaties by enforcing certain aspects of a new deal on an executive levels and a “provisional basis” until the Senate ratifies the treaty.

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    Re: US-Russian Arms Negotiators "Under the Gun," Might Temporarily Bypass Senate Rati

    How are they going to get away with doing that. Isnt that something the supreme court should not allow. It is crap like this that makes me really really nervous. If they can just ignore the constitution on an issue like this than why not on anything else.

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    Re: US-Russian Arms Negotiators "Under the Gun," Might Temporarily Bypass Senate Rati

    Total BS, it's not the Law of the Land until the Senate ratifies it.
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    Re: US-Russian Arms Negotiators "Under the Gun," Might Temporarily Bypass Senate Rati

    Article II, section 2: He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;
    The President can sign provisional treaties until the Senate ratifies or votes down the agreement. This is not outside of the executive powers and has been done my many presidents. What one should be upset about is the fact that for the last 60 years or so, until 2004, I think it was, Fast-Track power was given to the President, which essentially amounted to the Senate giving-up it's Constitutional powers.

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    Yeah, blowing off the constitution and doing whatever the Hel you want... thats TOTALLY a leftist policy!

    Where did they EVER get that idea?

    HAVE YOU LIVED IN THIS COUNTRY FOR THE LAST SEVEN YEARS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sturmrabe View Post
    Yeah, blowing off the constitution and doing whatever the Hel you want... thats TOTALLY a leftist policy!

    Where did they EVER get that idea?

    HAVE YOU LIVED IN THIS COUNTRY FOR THE LAST SEVEN YEARS?
    So, since Bush did it, it's ok?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sturmrabe View Post
    Yeah, blowing off the constitution and doing whatever the Hel you want... thats TOTALLY a leftist policy!

    Where did they EVER get that idea?

    HAVE YOU LIVED IN THIS COUNTRY FOR THE LAST SEVEN YEARS?
    I am afraid you are quite wrong.

    http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/...enate_role.pdf

    International agreements
    not submitted to the Senate are known as ‘‘executive agreements’’
    in the United States, but they are considered treaties and
    therefore binding under international law.
    For various reasons, Presidents have increasingly concluded executive
    agreements. Many agreements are previously authorized or
    specifically approved by legislation, and such ‘‘congressionalexecutive’’
    or statutory agreements have been treated almost interchangeably
    with treaties in several important court cases. Others,
    often referred to as ‘‘sole executive agreements,’’ are made pursuant
    to inherent powers claimed by the President under Article II
    of the Constitution. Neither the Senate nor the Congress as a
    whole is involved in concluding sole executive agreements, and
    their status in domestic law is not fully resolved.

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    Re: US-Russian Arms Negotiators "Under the Gun," Might Temporarily Bypass Senate Rati

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, since Bush did it, it's ok?
    The point is that the idea is no way shocking or even really that big of deal, so they push it through then get it ratified later...

    Meh... then they start sh**ting on due process, habius corpus, torturing people, and hiring/firing the judiciary on EGREGIOUSLY politcal terms, THEN its time to get upset...

    Oh but wait, just be cause it was Republicans wiping their ass with the constitution it was awwwwlright?

    Its not like anything you agree to with these assholes in moscow is worth the paper its written on anyway.
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    Re: US-Russian Arms Negotiators "Under the Gun," Might Temporarily Bypass Senate Rati

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    For the past 8 years we've been hearing, "the rule of law...the rule of law...the rule of law...", from the Libbos. I guess the Constitution really is just a, "goddamned piece of paper", afterall.
    Yes you did and not a peep from conservatives. Now that Obama is doing similar things all of a sudden it's worth speaking out against? Why weren't conservatives this vocal when Bush was doing these things?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Yes you did and not a peep from conservatives. Now that Obama is doing similar things all of a sudden it's worth speaking out against? Why weren't conservatives this vocal when Bush was doing these things?
    What is he doing? It is in the purview of the President to do such things. There is a clear precident and legal justification.

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