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    Re: US-Russian Arms Negotiators "Under the Gun," Might Temporarily Bypass Senate Rati

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    How are they going to get away with doing that. Isnt that something the supreme court should not allow.
    Easy.

    The Messiah is infallible.

    All bow to the Holy Messiah, and kiss your own asses good-bye.

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    Fortunately, it's 2/3 vote, meaning they need 67 votes in the Senate, and given what I saw the Messiah mumbling about this morning, there's a good chance the Evil Republicans can still protect the country.
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    Re: US-Russian Arms Negotiators "Under the Gun," Might Temporarily Bypass Senate Rati

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    The President can sign provisional treaties until the Senate ratifies or votes down the agreement. This is not outside of the executive powers and has been done my many presidents. What one should be upset about is the fact that for the last 60 years or so, until 2004, I think it was, Fast-Track power was given to the President, which essentially amounted to the Senate giving-up it's Constitutional powers.
    Yep. The Messiah can sing all the treaties he likes.

    If they're not ratified they have absolutely no legal standing.

    Fast track power is a different matter. Last time I checked, The Messiah hasn't been authorized to Fast Track US surrender. It won't stop him, of course, but he's not authorized to do it.

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    Re: US-Russian Arms Negotiators "Under the Gun," Might Temporarily Bypass Senate Rati

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yep. The Messiah can sing all the treaties he likes.

    If they're not ratified they have absolutely no legal standing.

    Fast track power is a different matter. Last time I checked, The Messiah hasn't been authorized to Fast Track US surrender. It won't stop him, of course, but he's not authorized to do it.
    No he does not have Fast Track authority. Why do you consider this treaty a surrender?

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    Re: US-Russian Arms Negotiators "Under the Gun," Might Temporarily Bypass Senate Rati

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    No he does not have Fast Track authority. Why do you consider this treaty a surrender?
    Let's see.....The Messiah is trying to get an agreement to FURTHER reduce the one deterrent we have that fended off the Soviet bear, our nuclear stockpile, and he's also insisting, from immense ignorance, that ABM systems are for regional rogue nations, not a good buddy like the former KGB folks.

    That's "surrender" in anyone's book, that can read.

    The United States, contrary to the popular belief of the fools that voted for The Messiah, does not have a history of oppression to compare with what their friends in Russia have shown over the last century.

    The Russians have done nothing to earn trust, and their attempted theft of Georgia last summer is clear indication of their aspirations.

    That callow Messiah of yours was accepting placidly, while looking calmly down his nose, as he always does, statements from the Russians about their concern about Iranian nuclear ambitions.

    The Russians have been HELPING the Ayatollahs build their bombs.

    Duh.

    The Messiah is a fool, and no treaty signed by him should be ratified, ever.

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    Re: US-Russian Arms Negotiators "Under the Gun," Might Temporarily Bypass Senate Rati

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Let's see.....The Messiah is trying to get an agreement to FURTHER reduce the one deterrent we have that fended off the Soviet bear, our nuclear stockpile, and he's also insisting, from immense ignorance, that ABM systems are for regional rogue nations, not a good buddy like the former KGB folks.

    That's "surrender" in anyone's book, that can read.

    The United States, contrary to the popular belief of the fools that voted for The Messiah, does not have a history of oppression to compare with what their friends in Russia have shown over the last century.

    The Russians have done nothing to earn trust, and their attempted theft of Georgia last summer is clear indication of their aspirations.

    That callow Messiah of yours was accepting placidly, while looking calmly down his nose, as he always does, statements from the Russians about their concern about Iranian nuclear ambitions.

    The Russians have been HELPING the Ayatollahs build their bombs.

    Duh.

    The Messiah is a fool, and no treaty signed by him should be ratified, ever.

    If you would leave the partisan antics off, you would actually have very good arguments.

    However, I do not think a ballistic missile shield on the border with Russia would do anything but create more troubles. Russia is not going to attack the U.S. We have, as well as Israel, the capabilities to turn Iran to dust if they were to launch an attack elsewhere.

    Russia has very well sold Iran nuclear technology for energy. Russia offered to sell them the enriched uranium, that would help Iran's claim that they were not seeking weaponry, however Iran refused. Russia wants to be apart of the missile shield, not feel like a target.

    Tell me, what good would come of another Cold War, when the U.S. is suffering a recession?

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    Re: US-Russian Arms Negotiators "Under the Gun," Might Temporarily Bypass Senate Rati

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Yes you did and not a peep from conservatives. Now that Obama is doing similar things all of a sudden it's worth speaking out against? Why weren't conservatives this vocal when Bush was doing these things?
    What treaty did President Bush sign then act as though it had the force of law without Senate approval?

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    Re: US-Russian Arms Negotiators "Under the Gun," Might Temporarily Bypass Senate Rati

    What are the provisions of the treaty? If Obama is taking actions that he does not currently have the authority to take he should just wait for the treaty to pass the senate. On the other hand if it's things like "reduce arms" Obama can carry out that action unilaterally anyway, we just won't be a party to the treaty until it gets ratified.

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    Re: US-Russian Arms Negotiators "Under the Gun," Might Temporarily Bypass Senate Rati

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    there's a good chance the Evil Republicans can still protect the country.
    But who is going to protect us from THEM?

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