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Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

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This is not a conspiracy theory!

Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House | Philadelphia Inquirer | 07/02/2009

HARRISBURG - Invasion of privacy is an issue that really gets under State Rep. Babette Josephs' skin.
That's why the Philadelphia Democrat introduced a bill, passed unanimously last week by the House, that would ban the forced implantation of computer chips in humans.

Conjuring Orwellian images, Josephs worries the identification devices - the size of a grain of rice - could lead to a real-life Big Brother nightmare.

"I'm doing, I think, what the legislature does too little of," she said. "This is a problem on the horizon, and I want to address it before it becomes a societal disgrace."

Though the technology hasn't debuted in Pennsylvania, VeriChip, a company in Florida, received federal Food and Drug Administration clearance in 2004 to market the implanted microchips, which were tested on 200 Alzheimer's patients.

Injected into the triceps, the chips have unique 16-digit codes and GPS capabilities that allow nursing homes to find wandering patients.

"I think it's really horrible that we want to chip them like barcoded packages of meat," said Kim Sultzbaugh, a research specialist who helped Josephs write the bill.
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Several years ago when the VeriChip Corp. first announced the Digital Angel as it was called the people from the Company were touting the advantages of having an implant for the rich, children and many more uses. What they left out was any information on the long term effects of having such a chip implanted in ones body. Today there is evidence today that they can cause cancer. A similar technology has been used in stores for years as mentioned in the story for all kinds of product tracking with RFID. These RFID chips are now present in new passports and will be in credit cards and even in the cards issued by grocery chains that claim to allow you to purchase items at a reduced price. The fact is they allow you to buy at the regular price or pay more for not having a card. They allow the store to track everything you buy. These RFID chips will eventually be used to trigger ads specifically aimed at you maybe by name, as you pass a certain location. They will use information from your previous purchases to zero in on what you might be interested in buying. They could also be used to limit some purchases such as alcoholic beverages or fatty foods, sugar laden products depending on your health condition. For example If you try to buy a 12 pack of beer the day after you purchased one. A message could pop up saying you are not allowed to make this purchase at this time. It may say something like you medical condition indicates that you are are over weight and the purchase of item X is not in your best interest.
Some people will say this is all speculation and calim this is a conspiracy theory. That is not the case at all. These possibilities are very real, Just look at what they are saying about how beneficial and varied the uses are they are talking about already.
Also all you have to do is look at what is going on with the Government trying to protect you from yourself by restricting fat content and use of certain kinds of cooking oils to make french frys and the possibility of raising taxes on things like sodas because of sugar content.
The reality is worse the a conspiracy theory because some people who done the research in some states recognize the possibilities for abuse of this untested technology on a long term basis and the risk it's use may pose.
I did reaserch on this subject for a news report 7 years ago and since that time the VeriChip Corp. backed off to regroup because of the negative publicity from a number of sources including some religious communities.
 
Of course its no conspiracy theory. The company openly markets the item and has been around for quite a few years. There is also no conspiracy in the device being put under the skin of humans, it was designed with that purpose. No conspiracy with the possible cause of cancer because pretty much anything you put under your skin and is sewn in, has potential to cause illness, infection, or cancer.

What this report doesn't say is how 16 year old kids have found out how to hack the device and extort information from it using home computers.

The potential for abuse of these things is off the charts, be it from clandestine entities all the way to regular joes with a bit of computer savvy.
 
This is not a conspiracy theory!

Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House | Philadelphia Inquirer | 07/02/2009

HARRISBURG - Invasion of privacy is an issue that really gets under State Rep. Babette Josephs' skin.
That's why the Philadelphia Democrat introduced a bill, passed unanimously last week by the House, that would ban the forced implantation of computer chips in humans.

Conjuring Orwellian images, Josephs worries the identification devices - the size of a grain of rice - could lead to a real-life Big Brother nightmare.

"I'm doing, I think, what the legislature does too little of," she said. "This is a problem on the horizon, and I want to address it before it becomes a societal disgrace."

Though the technology hasn't debuted in Pennsylvania, VeriChip, a company in Florida, received federal Food and Drug Administration clearance in 2004 to market the implanted microchips, which were tested on 200 Alzheimer's patients.

Injected into the triceps, the chips have unique 16-digit codes and GPS capabilities that allow nursing homes to find wandering patients.

"I think it's really horrible that we want to chip them like barcoded packages of meat," said Kim Sultzbaugh, a research specialist who helped Josephs write the bill.
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Several years ago when the VeriChip Corp. first announced the Digital Angel as it was called the people from the Company were touting the advantages of having an implant for the rich, children and many more uses. What they left out was any information on the long term effects of having such a chip implanted in ones body. Today there is evidence today that they can cause cancer. A similar technology has been used in stores for years as mentioned in the story for all kinds of product tracking with RFID. These RFID chips are now present in new passports and will be in credit cards and even in the cards issued by grocery chains that claim to allow you to purchase items at a reduced price. The fact is they allow you to buy at the regular price or pay more for not having a card. They allow the store to track everything you buy. These RFID chips will eventually be used to trigger ads specifically aimed at you maybe by name, as you pass a certain location. They will use information from your previous purchases to zero in on what you might be interested in buying. They could also be used to limit some purchases such as alcoholic beverages or fatty foods, sugar laden products depending on your health condition. For example If you try to buy a 12 pack of beer the day after you purchased one. A message could pop up saying you are not allowed to make this purchase at this time. It may say something like you medical condition indicates that you are are over weight and the purchase of item X is not in your best interest.
Some people will say this is all speculation and calim this is a conspiracy theory. That is not the case at all. These possibilities are very real, Just look at what they are saying about how beneficial and varied the uses are they are talking about already.
Also all you have to do is look at what is going on with the Government trying to protect you from yourself by restricting fat content and use of certain kinds of cooking oils to make french frys and the possibility of raising taxes on things like sodas because of sugar content.
The reality is worse the a conspiracy theory because some people who done the research in some states recognize the possibilities for abuse of this untested technology on a long term basis and the risk it's use may pose.
I did reaserch on this subject for a news report 7 years ago and since that time the VeriChip Corp. backed off to regroup because of the negative publicity from a number of sources including some religious communities.

Its pretty easy to render RFID chips useless.

You can use violence, circuit overload or a small emp.
Although I'm not completely sure how to cause a small emp.
 
Of course its no conspiracy theory. The company openly markets the item and has been around for quite a few years. There is also no conspiracy in the device being put under the skin of humans, it was designed with that purpose. No conspiracy with the possible cause of cancer because pretty much anything you put under your skin and is sewn in, has potential to cause illness, infection, or cancer.

What this report doesn't say is how 16 year old kids have found out how to hack the device and extort information from it using home computers.

The potential for abuse of these things is off the charts, be it from clandestine entities all the way to regular joes with a bit of computer savvy.

I forgot to add that as well.

You can make RFID readers very, very easily.
 
I'm glad for this bill and hope it is passed into law quickly.

We need to establish legally that no one should ever be forced to accept an implant chip of any kind. Such an act would be the most anti-freedom thing any government could ever do.
 
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This is one of the most inconsequential things imaginable.

I particularly liked this justification:

Despite the technology's potential usefulness, Sultzbaugh said, some Christian groups liken the identification devices to the "mark of the beast," a Satanic mark described in the Book of Revelation and represented by the number 666.

Sultzbaugh sounds like a goddamn moron.
 
*Sigh* There you go again, belittling conservatives. Are you sure you are one?
 
On the list of important issues facing the country, this does not even make the list. Good job congress on wasting time on nothing.
 
It's a good bill. The idea that they're wasting time by passing it is nonsense. At least they read this one...
 
On the list of important issues facing the country, this does not even make the list. Good job congress on wasting time on nothing.

True, there are far more pressing issues we need to deal with as a whole, I wouldn't go and say this is COMPLETELY useless by any stretch of the imagination though.
 
*Sigh* There you go again, belittling conservatives. Are you sure you are one?

To clarify: I don't give a flying **** whether you think I meet your standards for being a conservative.

For once congress does something right. (golf clap)

On the list of important issues facing the country, this does not even make the list. Good job congress on wasting time on nothing.

It's a good bill. The idea that they're wasting time by passing it is nonsense. At least they read this one...

This isn't even Congress. This is a Pennsylvania state legislator proposing a state law.

Thank goodness this dumbass is here to protect us from Satan and all his minions that are trying to turn our children gay via RFID chip.
 
Everyone please make note that this was the Pennsylvania House not the U.S. House that past this.
It is very real for those who believe it has little potential for abuse. Also the originals are NOT RFID but magnetic bar codes the size of a large grain of rice and can not be neutralized with an EMP. The RFID is the next generation Digital Angels.
 
Everyone please make note that this was the Pennsylvania House not the U.S. House that past this.
It is very real for those who believe it has little potential for abuse.

Personally, I choose not to live in constant fear that the government is conspiring to track my every movement and mark me for Beelzebub.
 
Eh, people who think little kids can hack these devices need to realize that at any times, these can be encrypted with a higher form of protection that CAN'T be hacked.
 
Eh, people who think little kids can hack these devices need to realize that at any times, these can be encrypted with a higher form of protection that CAN'T be hacked.

History proves that there is no such thing as something that can't be cracked.
 
Personally, I choose not to live in constant fear that the government is conspiring to track my every movement and mark me for Beelzebub.
You chose to not to live in suspicion of the government, contrary to the Founding Fathers.
 
You chose to not to live in suspicion of the government, contrary to the Founding Fathers.

There is a difference between being suspicious of the government and downright paranoid to where you are looking for black helicopters flying over head coming to get you.

This bill is the result of paranoia and a complete waste of time.
 
There is a difference between being suspicious of the government and downright paranoid to where you are looking for black helicopters flying over head coming to get you.

This bill is the result of paranoia and a complete waste of time.
Chosing to protect your liberal friend. What, he can't speak for himself?
 
Chosing to protect your liberal friend. What, he can't speak for himself?

RightinNYC liberal? :rofl

Thanks for the laugh. Don't you have black helicopters to look for that are trying to get you?
 
To clarify: I don't give a flying **** whether you think I meet your standards for being a conservative.
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Heh, I figured that out a while back. Just for the record, if you're a conservative you hide it well.

Most of the time, anyway. Once in a while you do come out on the right side of things...
 
To clarify: I don't give a flying **** whether you think I meet your standards for being a conservative.

This isn't even Congress. This is a Pennsylvania state legislator proposing a state law.

Thank goodness this dumbass is here to protect us from Satan and all his minions that are trying to turn our children gay via RFID chip.



Are you for or against identity chips being forcefully implanted?If you are against it then why give a **** about the reason? Why should you and your fellow liberals mock those who wish ban such things?
 
This is not a conspiracy theory!

Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House | Philadelphia Inquirer | 07/02/2009

HARRISBURG - Invasion of privacy is an issue that really gets under State Rep. Babette Josephs' skin.
That's why the Philadelphia Democrat introduced a bill, passed unanimously last week by the House, that would ban the forced implantation of computer chips in humans.

Maybe if that state passes it then hopefully other states will follow suite.

Although my worry is that even if all the states make a law that bans the forced implanting of ID chips they will find some other way to get people to implant them in themselves by making it a requirement attached to something else(licenses,passports, business licenses and etc). For this reason I alone I think "forced" needs to be clearly defined in order to prevent the government from implanting id chips into people. I think maybe an outright ban on implanting chips maybe needed just so some scumbag in office doesn't find a loophole to force people to implant the chips.

I could care less if technology is not infallible or uncrackable,perceived incompetence of the government or system is no reason to ignore the potential threat.
 
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