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    Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    This is not a conspiracy theory!

    Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House | Philadelphia Inquirer | 07/02/2009

    HARRISBURG - Invasion of privacy is an issue that really gets under State Rep. Babette Josephs' skin.
    That's why the Philadelphia Democrat introduced a bill, passed unanimously last week by the House, that would ban the forced implantation of computer chips in humans.

    Conjuring Orwellian images, Josephs worries the identification devices - the size of a grain of rice - could lead to a real-life Big Brother nightmare.

    "I'm doing, I think, what the legislature does too little of," she said. "This is a problem on the horizon, and I want to address it before it becomes a societal disgrace."

    Though the technology hasn't debuted in Pennsylvania, VeriChip, a company in Florida, received federal Food and Drug Administration clearance in 2004 to market the implanted microchips, which were tested on 200 Alzheimer's patients.

    Injected into the triceps, the chips have unique 16-digit codes and GPS capabilities that allow nursing homes to find wandering patients.

    "I think it's really horrible that we want to chip them like barcoded packages of meat," said Kim Sultzbaugh, a research specialist who helped Josephs write the bill.
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    Several years ago when the VeriChip Corp. first announced the Digital Angel as it was called the people from the Company were touting the advantages of having an implant for the rich, children and many more uses. What they left out was any information on the long term effects of having such a chip implanted in ones body. Today there is evidence today that they can cause cancer. A similar technology has been used in stores for years as mentioned in the story for all kinds of product tracking with RFID. These RFID chips are now present in new passports and will be in credit cards and even in the cards issued by grocery chains that claim to allow you to purchase items at a reduced price. The fact is they allow you to buy at the regular price or pay more for not having a card. They allow the store to track everything you buy. These RFID chips will eventually be used to trigger ads specifically aimed at you maybe by name, as you pass a certain location. They will use information from your previous purchases to zero in on what you might be interested in buying. They could also be used to limit some purchases such as alcoholic beverages or fatty foods, sugar laden products depending on your health condition. For example If you try to buy a 12 pack of beer the day after you purchased one. A message could pop up saying you are not allowed to make this purchase at this time. It may say something like you medical condition indicates that you are are over weight and the purchase of item X is not in your best interest.
    Some people will say this is all speculation and calim this is a conspiracy theory. That is not the case at all. These possibilities are very real, Just look at what they are saying about how beneficial and varied the uses are they are talking about already.
    Also all you have to do is look at what is going on with the Government trying to protect you from yourself by restricting fat content and use of certain kinds of cooking oils to make french frys and the possibility of raising taxes on things like sodas because of sugar content.
    The reality is worse the a conspiracy theory because some people who done the research in some states recognize the possibilities for abuse of this untested technology on a long term basis and the risk it's use may pose.
    I did reaserch on this subject for a news report 7 years ago and since that time the VeriChip Corp. backed off to regroup because of the negative publicity from a number of sources including some religious communities.

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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    Of course its no conspiracy theory. The company openly markets the item and has been around for quite a few years. There is also no conspiracy in the device being put under the skin of humans, it was designed with that purpose. No conspiracy with the possible cause of cancer because pretty much anything you put under your skin and is sewn in, has potential to cause illness, infection, or cancer.

    What this report doesn't say is how 16 year old kids have found out how to hack the device and extort information from it using home computers.

    The potential for abuse of these things is off the charts, be it from clandestine entities all the way to regular joes with a bit of computer savvy.
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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    This is not a conspiracy theory!

    Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House | Philadelphia Inquirer | 07/02/2009

    HARRISBURG - Invasion of privacy is an issue that really gets under State Rep. Babette Josephs' skin.
    That's why the Philadelphia Democrat introduced a bill, passed unanimously last week by the House, that would ban the forced implantation of computer chips in humans.

    Conjuring Orwellian images, Josephs worries the identification devices - the size of a grain of rice - could lead to a real-life Big Brother nightmare.

    "I'm doing, I think, what the legislature does too little of," she said. "This is a problem on the horizon, and I want to address it before it becomes a societal disgrace."

    Though the technology hasn't debuted in Pennsylvania, VeriChip, a company in Florida, received federal Food and Drug Administration clearance in 2004 to market the implanted microchips, which were tested on 200 Alzheimer's patients.

    Injected into the triceps, the chips have unique 16-digit codes and GPS capabilities that allow nursing homes to find wandering patients.

    "I think it's really horrible that we want to chip them like barcoded packages of meat," said Kim Sultzbaugh, a research specialist who helped Josephs write the bill.
    ================================================== ========
    Several years ago when the VeriChip Corp. first announced the Digital Angel as it was called the people from the Company were touting the advantages of having an implant for the rich, children and many more uses. What they left out was any information on the long term effects of having such a chip implanted in ones body. Today there is evidence today that they can cause cancer. A similar technology has been used in stores for years as mentioned in the story for all kinds of product tracking with RFID. These RFID chips are now present in new passports and will be in credit cards and even in the cards issued by grocery chains that claim to allow you to purchase items at a reduced price. The fact is they allow you to buy at the regular price or pay more for not having a card. They allow the store to track everything you buy. These RFID chips will eventually be used to trigger ads specifically aimed at you maybe by name, as you pass a certain location. They will use information from your previous purchases to zero in on what you might be interested in buying. They could also be used to limit some purchases such as alcoholic beverages or fatty foods, sugar laden products depending on your health condition. For example If you try to buy a 12 pack of beer the day after you purchased one. A message could pop up saying you are not allowed to make this purchase at this time. It may say something like you medical condition indicates that you are are over weight and the purchase of item X is not in your best interest.
    Some people will say this is all speculation and calim this is a conspiracy theory. That is not the case at all. These possibilities are very real, Just look at what they are saying about how beneficial and varied the uses are they are talking about already.
    Also all you have to do is look at what is going on with the Government trying to protect you from yourself by restricting fat content and use of certain kinds of cooking oils to make french frys and the possibility of raising taxes on things like sodas because of sugar content.
    The reality is worse the a conspiracy theory because some people who done the research in some states recognize the possibilities for abuse of this untested technology on a long term basis and the risk it's use may pose.
    I did reaserch on this subject for a news report 7 years ago and since that time the VeriChip Corp. backed off to regroup because of the negative publicity from a number of sources including some religious communities.
    Its pretty easy to render RFID chips useless.

    You can use violence, circuit overload or a small emp.
    Although I'm not completely sure how to cause a small emp.
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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    Quote Originally Posted by johnjoel View Post
    Of course its no conspiracy theory. The company openly markets the item and has been around for quite a few years. There is also no conspiracy in the device being put under the skin of humans, it was designed with that purpose. No conspiracy with the possible cause of cancer because pretty much anything you put under your skin and is sewn in, has potential to cause illness, infection, or cancer.

    What this report doesn't say is how 16 year old kids have found out how to hack the device and extort information from it using home computers.

    The potential for abuse of these things is off the charts, be it from clandestine entities all the way to regular joes with a bit of computer savvy.
    I forgot to add that as well.

    You can make RFID readers very, very easily.
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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    I'm glad for this bill and hope it is passed into law quickly.

    We need to establish legally that no one should ever be forced to accept an implant chip of any kind. Such an act would be the most anti-freedom thing any government could ever do.

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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House



    This is one of the most inconsequential things imaginable.

    I particularly liked this justification:

    Despite the technology's potential usefulness, Sultzbaugh said, some Christian groups liken the identification devices to the "mark of the beast," a Satanic mark described in the Book of Revelation and represented by the number 666.
    Sultzbaugh sounds like a goddamn moron.
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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    *Sigh* There you go again, belittling conservatives. Are you sure you are one?

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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

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    *Sigh* There you go again, belittling conservatives. Are you sure you are one?
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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    For once congress does something right. (golf clap)
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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    On the list of important issues facing the country, this does not even make the list. Good job congress on wasting time on nothing.

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