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Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

F107HyperSabr said:
For normal American citizens this chip implant situation is a horror. Yet how about for prisoners? Would that be a benefit if we tagged prisoners so we can track them ? How about people who had commited a pedophia crime? Would it be great if we tag the pedophiles so that if they survive prison we can track them.

Tagging prisoners and pedophiles should be an exception to the rules.

What do ohers think about that ?
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Honestly, this is what I would be concerned about our government doing the most in this chip scenario.

Felons have limited rights as it is. It is more likely that a chip would be used on them rather than everyday citizens.

And I think what would be interesting is the point you brought up F10. Would society be more allowing of felons to be implanted?
 
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TheNextEra said:
Honestly, this is what I would be concerned about our government doing the most in this chip scenario.

Felons have limited rights as it is. It is more likely that a chip would be used on them rather than everyday citizens.

And I think what would be interesting is the point you brought up F10. Would society be more allowing of felons to be implanted?
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Of course they would. The people who are terrified of the government doing this to its citizens tend to be the same people who are terrified of pedophiles being within 500 miles of their children.
 
RightinNYC said:
I am against it in most cases. I am also opposed to the government rounding up all red-haired people and burning them as witches.

However, if you came up to me and asked me to sign a petition to make it illegal for the government to round up red-haired people and burn them as witches, I would laugh in your face and tell you to get off my lawn. Same applies to this.
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Why do you think the government forcing people to get ID chip implants to be impossible? You do not think they would make it a requirement in order to get a license,passport, or something else? They already take DNA samples,finger prints and other things to get a driver's license, join the military, to get a real estate license in some states and other things. Why wouldn't they move a step above? You and your fellow liberals are so full **** when you pretend to be sitting there acting like the government wouldn't try to force people to get ID chip implants. You are as dishonest as the other libs who try to claim the democrats won't try to severely restrict or ban the second amendment when they or their state has a history of trying. Considering some of the requirements for various jobs, various licenses,ID, passports and other things it is more like "when" they will try not "if" they'll try to force people to get ID chip implants. Companies already sell chip implants to parents. Its better now to have laws saying the government can't force and or coerce people into getting chip ID implants than to wait for some scumbag in office decides to use some tragedy in order to manipulate people to agree to ID chip implants.
 
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jamesrage said:
Why do you think the government forcing people to get ID chip implants to be impossible?
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I think it is impossible given how our constitution is.

However, if you are afraid of the government doing such a thing, then they have abandoned EVERYTHING in the constitution, and this stupid bill means **** then because the government will do it anyways.

It's impossible given our CURRENT form of government for this to happen to just everday law abiding citizens.

Just to appease the conspiracy and paranoid people, however, in the future if this happens with our government, you think some stupid bill that was passed is going to stand in the way.
 
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mixedmedia said:
I promise I won't derail this thread any further with an argument on the qualities of good humor, but if a comment is witty I will be the first to acknowledge it. I don't care who is making it or who it is directed at. I've laughed at liberal jokes directed at me many times - this one just kind of kerplunked at my feet. Not funny.

I respect humor more than I do partisan politics.

/end derail.
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I agree, it wasn't that funny.

But I tried to make a point anyway.

Bleh.
 
Why is it that some people don't just say okay I trust the Government to always do the right thing and never impose any draconian or unconstitutional restriction or mandates on us ever. This of course would require ignoring history when Presidents like FDR did violate the Constitution with part of his recovert act. At the rate the Government take over of publicly own businesses are coming under Government control and in effect being nationalized it might be under way again.
Why not better yet say something intelligent like I don't believe chip implants will ever be forced on the citizens but if they ever are as a good American who believes in our freedoms and wishes to maintain them I will oppose any measure or act that seeks to violate or infringe on my rights. And let it go at that. This would make a point and show a stance worthy of a Patriot rather than being just another nae Sayer.
 
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Councilman said:
Why is it that some people don't just say okay I trust the Government to always do the right thing and never impose any draconian or unconstitutional restriction or mandates on us ever. This of course would require ignoring history when Presidents like FDR did violate the Constitution with part of his recovert act. At the rate the Government take over of publicly own businesses are coming under Government control and in effect being nationalized it might be under way again.
Why not better yet say something intelligent like I don't believe chip implants will ever be forced on the citizens but if they ever are as a good American who believes in our freedoms and wishes to maintain them I will oppose any measure or act that seeks to violate or infringe on my rights. And let it go at that. This would make a point and show a stance worthy of a Patriot rather than a nea Sayer.
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And yet again, people that disagree with you aren't saying they trust the government, they are saying that the Constitution protects us already from this and if there comes a time when the government does it regardless, than some stupid bill ain't going to stop them.
 
RightinNYC said:
I am against it in most cases. I am also opposed to the government rounding up all red-haired people and burning them as witches.

However, if you came up to me and asked me to sign a petition to make it illegal for the government to round up red-haired people and burn them as witches, I would laugh in your face and tell you to get off my lawn. Same applies to this.



:rofl:rofl:rofl

Thanks, I was really getting a little concerned that nobody had referenced the Nazi's yet in this thread.

OH NOES IF WE DON'T BAN THIS THE GUBBERNMENT WILL TAKE ARE GUNS AND KILL US WITH THERE MINDS!!!111
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Ok bro. Go ahead and laugh it up. I hope you're right and I hope it is a baseless concern. Given the trend towards more intrusive and authoritarian governance in this country, I think it is a legitimate concern, but whatever.

When are you changing your label to "Slightly liberal"? Soon I hope...
 
Goshin said:
Ok bro. Go ahead and laugh it up. I hope you're right and I hope it is a baseless concern. Given the trend towards more intrusive and authoritarian governance in this country, I think it is a legitimate concern, but whatever.

When are you changing your label to "Slightly liberal"? Soon I hope...
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If you really think government is that intrusive for law abiding citizens for this to happen, then what makes you think a bill would stop them?

It would be against the constitution to do this for law abiding citizens, so if the government did this, they would have to abandon the constitution, and if they did that then what do you think a bill would help?
 
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TheNextEra said:
If you really think government is that intrusive for law abiding citizens for this to happen, then what makes you think a bill would stop them?

It would be against the constitution to do this for law abiding citizens, so if the government did this, they would have to abandon the constitution, and if they did that then what do you think a bill would help?
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Don't know that it would... perhaps this would be the point where we'd have to take up arms.

Still, in principle I like the idea of a legal precedent against the notion of forcible implants. It is an acknowlegement that such a thing should never happen.
 
Goshin said:
Don't know that it would... perhaps this would be the point where we'd have to take up arms.

Still, in principle I like the idea of a legal precedent against the notion of forcible implants. It is an acknowlegement that such a thing should never happen.
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In principle? :rofl

So basically you even admit that if the government were to do this, it would mean abolishing the constitution, so a bill wouldn't matter.

Again you admit it is a waste of time.

This bill has no meaning because if the government were to do that, this bill wouldn't matter anyway.
 
Smoke[MaxX] said:
Eh, people who think little kids can hack these devices need to realize that at any times, these can be encrypted with a higher form of protection that CAN'T be hacked.
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I totally disagree with this. Encryption is hackable, I don't care how you put it. Single, dual, triple layer, all hackable given the time. In order to change any assembly code or structure within the chip itself will require a complete "re-installation." All it takes is for one person to get a hold of one and it can be broken down and opened.

Information hasn't ever changed since man first committed symbols to history and it isn't going to change now. People understand that, even kids. This fact is where 100% of our technology comes from.
 
TheNextEra said:
I think it is impossible given how our constitution is.
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They have found a way to restrict certain weapons,which citizens can get weapons, and in some state require waiting periods,permits,and registrations. All of which given how our constitution should be impossible seeing how it says shall not be infringed at the end of it.


Just to appease the conspiracy and paranoid people, however, in the future if this happens with our government, you think some stupid bill that was passed is going to stand in the way.
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The ones claiming this is a conspiracy or that people are just paranoid are either ignorant or lying.
 
TheNextEra said:
And yet again, people that disagree with you aren't saying they trust the government, they are saying that the Constitution protects us already from this and if there comes a time when the government does it regardless, than some stupid bill ain't going to stop them.
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Absolutely, you are correct.

The awareness of such a thing could benefit any resistance to it. So far I've seen no real plans from our government to implant its citizens by and large, I've also not heard of the government heading towards circumventing the Constitution either.

The what ifs do hold me close to this subject though, not through paranoia as extended by example in this thread, but through awareness of what is going on or what COULD occur.

Plan for the worst hope for the best.
 
jamesrage said:
Why do you think the government forcing people to get ID chip implants to be impossible? You do not think they would make it a requirement in order to get a license,passport, or something else? They already take DNA samples,finger prints and other things to get a driver's license, join the military, to get a real estate license in some states and other things. Why wouldn't they move a step above? You and your fellow liberals are so full **** when you pretend to be sitting there acting like the government wouldn't try to force people to get ID chip implants. You are as dishonest as the other libs who try to claim the democrats won't try to severely restrict or ban the second amendment when they or their state has a history of trying. Considering some of the requirements for various jobs, various licenses,ID, passports and other things it is more like "when" they will try not "if" they'll try to force people to get ID chip implants. Companies already sell chip implants to parents. Its better now to have laws saying the government can't force and or coerce people into getting chip ID implants than to wait for some scumbag in office decides to use some tragedy in order to manipulate people to agree to ID chip implants.
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This is a debate forum not an anger mangement venting group- get a grip!
 
jamesrage said:
They have found a way to restrict certain weapons,which citizens can get weapons, and in some state require waiting periods,permits,and registrations. All of which given how our constitution should be impossible seeing how it says shall not be infringed at the end of it.
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Oh please, you are actually comparing gun regulation to implanting every U.s. citizen with a chip? You just lost all credibility here.

jamesrage said:
The ones claiming this is a conspiracy or that people are just paranoid are either ignorant or lying.
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And yet again you ignore reality in the fact that to implant every U.S. citizen with a chip, you would have to ENTIRELY abandon the constitution and if that happened, no stupid bill passed would stop it.

Hence this bill was nothing more than a waste of time except to appease all the conspiracy theorists out there that don't recognize that if the U.S. did such a thing to all citizens some stupid bill wouldn't stop them.
 
johnjoel said:
The what ifs do hold me close to this subject though, not through paranoia as extended by example in this thread, but through awareness of what is going on or what COULD occur.

Plan for the worst hope for the best.
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And reality states that if such a thing were to occur in the U.S. this bill wouldn't stop the government is all I am saying.
 
TheNextEra said:
Honestly, this is what I would be concerned about our government doing the most in this chip scenario.

Felons have limited rights as it is. It is more likely that a chip would be used on them rather than everyday citizens.

And I think what would be interesting is the point you brought up F10. Would society be more allowing of felons to be implanted?
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I asked those questions to provoke thinking about this topic. As much as I detest criminals especially pedophiles and le'ts throw in traitors and spies I do fear that we would be on the proverbial slippery slope if we do allow prisoners and former criminals to be chipped. Where would it go to next ? How about new immigrants being chipped until hey become citizens ? What about political prisoners ? We offically don't have those but I ammuse that there are whacks on both the left and the right who may believe that olitical prisoners.

Should we chip anyone who gets a less than honorable discharge from the military ?
 
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F107HyperSabr said:
I asked those questions to provoke thinking about this topic. As much as I detest criminals especially pedophiles and le'ts throw in traitors and spies I do fear that we would be on the proverbial slippery slope if we do allow prisoners and former criminals to be chipped. Where would it go to next ? How about new immigrants being chipped until hey become citizens ? What about political prisoners ? We offically don't have those but I amsure that there are whacks on both the left and the right who may believe that olitical prisoners.

Should we chip anyone who gets a less than honorable discharge from the military ?
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My answer to all those situations is no. However, it's something that I could see happening and is more of a real situation than everyone in the U.s. getting implanted.
 
Goshin said:
Ok bro. Go ahead and laugh it up. I hope you're right and I hope it is a baseless concern.
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It is and I will.

Goshin said:
Don't know that it would... perhaps this would be the point where we'd have to take up arms.

Still, in principle I like the idea of a legal precedent against the notion of forcible implants. It is an acknowlegement that such a thing should never happen.
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Yes, because without such a critical legal precedent as this PA state bill, the people would have no grounds to protest the wholesale destruction of the US Constitution.

I'm sure you agree that mass murder of redheads should never happen either. Care to sign my petition for the Ginger Protection Act of 2009?
 
RightinNYC said:
I'm sure you agree that mass murder of redheads should never happen either. Care to sign my petition for the Ginger Protection Act of 2009?
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There is a known company who finances supports and markets mass murder of redheads? Interesting.
 
RightinNYC said:
I'm sure you agree that mass murder of redheads should never happen either. Care to sign my petition for the Ginger Protection Act of 2009?
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Being that I myself am a redhead, I am quite happy to sign your petition. Why take chances? :mrgreen:
 
johnjoel said:
There is a known company who finances supports and markets mass murder of redheads? Interesting.
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There is a known company who finances, supports and markets the forced implantation of identity chips in all US citizens?

(Also: Why would the existence of a company who supports something in one form make it significantly more plausible that it would happen in another form across the country, especially if that would violate the Constitution?)
 
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