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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    If you really think government is that intrusive for law abiding citizens for this to happen, then what makes you think a bill would stop them?

    It would be against the constitution to do this for law abiding citizens, so if the government did this, they would have to abandon the constitution, and if they did that then what do you think a bill would help?

    Don't know that it would... perhaps this would be the point where we'd have to take up arms.

    Still, in principle I like the idea of a legal precedent against the notion of forcible implants. It is an acknowlegement that such a thing should never happen.

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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Don't know that it would... perhaps this would be the point where we'd have to take up arms.

    Still, in principle I like the idea of a legal precedent against the notion of forcible implants. It is an acknowlegement that such a thing should never happen.
    In principle?

    So basically you even admit that if the government were to do this, it would mean abolishing the constitution, so a bill wouldn't matter.

    Again you admit it is a waste of time.

    This bill has no meaning because if the government were to do that, this bill wouldn't matter anyway.

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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    Eh, people who think little kids can hack these devices need to realize that at any times, these can be encrypted with a higher form of protection that CAN'T be hacked.
    I totally disagree with this. Encryption is hackable, I don't care how you put it. Single, dual, triple layer, all hackable given the time. In order to change any assembly code or structure within the chip itself will require a complete "re-installation." All it takes is for one person to get a hold of one and it can be broken down and opened.

    Information hasn't ever changed since man first committed symbols to history and it isn't going to change now. People understand that, even kids. This fact is where 100% of our technology comes from.
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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I think it is impossible given how our constitution is.
    They have found a way to restrict certain weapons,which citizens can get weapons, and in some state require waiting periods,permits,and registrations. All of which given how our constitution should be impossible seeing how it says shall not be infringed at the end of it.


    Just to appease the conspiracy and paranoid people, however, in the future if this happens with our government, you think some stupid bill that was passed is going to stand in the way.
    The ones claiming this is a conspiracy or that people are just paranoid are either ignorant or lying.
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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And yet again, people that disagree with you aren't saying they trust the government, they are saying that the Constitution protects us already from this and if there comes a time when the government does it regardless, than some stupid bill ain't going to stop them.
    Absolutely, you are correct.

    The awareness of such a thing could benefit any resistance to it. So far I've seen no real plans from our government to implant its citizens by and large, I've also not heard of the government heading towards circumventing the Constitution either.

    The what ifs do hold me close to this subject though, not through paranoia as extended by example in this thread, but through awareness of what is going on or what COULD occur.

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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Why do you think the government forcing people to get ID chip implants to be impossible? You do not think they would make it a requirement in order to get a license,passport, or something else? They already take DNA samples,finger prints and other things to get a driver's license, join the military, to get a real estate license in some states and other things. Why wouldn't they move a step above? You and your fellow liberals are so full **** when you pretend to be sitting there acting like the government wouldn't try to force people to get ID chip implants. You are as dishonest as the other libs who try to claim the democrats won't try to severely restrict or ban the second amendment when they or their state has a history of trying. Considering some of the requirements for various jobs, various licenses,ID, passports and other things it is more like "when" they will try not "if" they'll try to force people to get ID chip implants. Companies already sell chip implants to parents. Its better now to have laws saying the government can't force and or coerce people into getting chip ID implants than to wait for some scumbag in office decides to use some tragedy in order to manipulate people to agree to ID chip implants.
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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    They have found a way to restrict certain weapons,which citizens can get weapons, and in some state require waiting periods,permits,and registrations. All of which given how our constitution should be impossible seeing how it says shall not be infringed at the end of it.
    Oh please, you are actually comparing gun regulation to implanting every U.s. citizen with a chip? You just lost all credibility here.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The ones claiming this is a conspiracy or that people are just paranoid are either ignorant or lying.
    And yet again you ignore reality in the fact that to implant every U.S. citizen with a chip, you would have to ENTIRELY abandon the constitution and if that happened, no stupid bill passed would stop it.

    Hence this bill was nothing more than a waste of time except to appease all the conspiracy theorists out there that don't recognize that if the U.S. did such a thing to all citizens some stupid bill wouldn't stop them.

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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    Quote Originally Posted by johnjoel View Post
    The what ifs do hold me close to this subject though, not through paranoia as extended by example in this thread, but through awareness of what is going on or what COULD occur.

    Plan for the worst hope for the best.
    And reality states that if such a thing were to occur in the U.S. this bill wouldn't stop the government is all I am saying.

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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Honestly, this is what I would be concerned about our government doing the most in this chip scenario.

    Felons have limited rights as it is. It is more likely that a chip would be used on them rather than everyday citizens.

    And I think what would be interesting is the point you brought up F10. Would society be more allowing of felons to be implanted?
    I asked those questions to provoke thinking about this topic. As much as I detest criminals especially pedophiles and le'ts throw in traitors and spies I do fear that we would be on the proverbial slippery slope if we do allow prisoners and former criminals to be chipped. Where would it go to next ? How about new immigrants being chipped until hey become citizens ? What about political prisoners ? We offically don't have those but I ammuse that there are whacks on both the left and the right who may believe that olitical prisoners.

    Should we chip anyone who gets a less than honorable discharge from the military ?
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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And reality states that if such a thing were to occur in the U.S. this bill wouldn't stop the government is all I am saying.
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