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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I wonder if that's what many German Jews thought right up until the "showers" started filling the room with poison gas? "Don't be paranoid, things like that can't happen here..."
    So now you are comparing America to the Nazis?

    It doesn't get anymore paranoid than this folks.

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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

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    Thus my second statement.
    I promise I won't derail this thread any further with an argument on the qualities of good humor, but if a comment is witty I will be the first to acknowledge it. I don't care who is making it or who it is directed at. I've laughed at liberal jokes directed at me many times - this one just kind of kerplunked at my feet. Not funny.

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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So now you are comparing America to the Nazis?

    It doesn't get anymore paranoid than this folks.


    Nonsense. I didn't compare America to the Nazi's, I was making a point about the "it can't happen here" mindset.

    I have read many accounts by survivors of the Nazi death camps who talked about a sense of disbelief that paralyzed them. There was a sense that "This is modern-day, Twentieth-century Germany, a civilized state... such things just can't happen here!"


    America isn't remotely comparable to Nazi Germany... at this point in history. We need to be vigilant against government authoritarianism if we want to maintain our freedom and keep our government from getting out of control, is my point.

    At one extreme are those who believe every conspiracy theory out there, and blame the US government for everything. I am not one of those people.

    At the other extreme is those who believe "it can't happen here" and assume the government won't ever abuse its power and doesn't need to be watched and restrained... are you one of those people?

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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    I'm holding out for actual neural interface implants. the ID chips are cute, but remain a foreign, separate device that is merely encased in flesh.

    Future generations of cybernetic implants will actually interact with biological processes, most notably those of the central nervous system.

    The applications for the economy and the general functioning of society are incalculable. Workers could actually receive part of their wages in the form of manufactured emotional states generated by licensed delivery of cortical stimulation.

    All marriages can be made perfectly successful, all children happy by the use of similar technique.

    Sexual preference, indeed the presence, absence or degree of any sexual behavior will be regulated by beneficent government oversight.

    As the technology grows, even such petty subjective perceptions as "ugliness" will be removed by software/neuralware upgrades.

    There will be no ugly people, no ugliness at all in the world, because everyone will receive upgrade patches to perceive almost everything as beautiful.

    Health will improve dramatically, and therefore health care costs will plummet. Everyone can be encouraged to maintain a proper regimen of exercise diet and avoidance of health hazards once the pain and pleasure centers are properly integrated into a proper network.


    It is easy to think further ahead still, to the interface of the electronic with the highest cortical functions. While no doubt still many years away, a time can be anticipated when incorrect thinking is completely eliminated by the use of cybernetic cognitive oversight.

    When that happy day comes, no one will be dissatisfied with any aspect of their lives. No troublesome thoughts will disturb the perfect happiness of all people.

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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I find the Patriot Act II (something that is real and has been passed) more worrisome than some fictitious situation where the government would implant a chip in people.
    I would caution that no one choose one subject to be leary of over another. The Patriot Acts I & II both have potential consequences that come with them that put our continued liberties is doubt or at least in question. I believe as was said by another great American Thomas Jefferson, and I paraphrase. "It is the duty of every good citizen to use all the opportunities which occur to him to preserve the Nation and doing that will require unremitting vigilance."
    I don't think he was referring to one subject but to all potential threats real or perceived until the nature and magnitude of the threats are known and put to rest. Once again this should not be partisan in nature and relies on an understanding by each individual of our freedoms and Constitution as they and it was intended.
    While pointing no fingers at any individual few people have a true grasp or understanding of the documents that brought this Nation into being and that have preserved it to this point when that knowledge is most imperative in today's world.
    Vigilance in pursuit the Nations continued survival is not paranoia and should be embraced by all patriots and never scorned because of partisan politics or short sightedness.
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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    For normal American citizens this chip implant situation is a horror. Yet how about for prisoners? Would that be a benefit if we tagged prisoners so we can track them ? How about people who had commited a pedophia crime? Would it be great if we tag the pedophiles so that if they survive prison we can track them.

    Tagging prisoners and pedophiles should be an exception to the rules.

    What do ohers think about that ?
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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Vigilance in pursuit the Nations continued survival is not paranoia and should be embraced by all patriots and never scorned because of partisan politics or short sightedness.
    Well then, we should have congress pass a law that states the U.S. will not surrender to Space invaders as well. And we should have a bill that states the government will not be allowed to produce black holes on private property.

    Again, there is a difference between suspicion or vigilance and paranoia.

    BTW increasing your font size does not make your point more valid.
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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Well then, we should have congress pass a law that states the U.S. will not surrender to Space invaders as well. And we should have a bill that states the government will not be allowed to produce black holes on private property.

    Again, there is a difference between suspicion or vigilance and paranoia.

    Apples and oranges. Space invaders are not known to exist. Our ability to produce black holes artificially is improbable.

    ID implants do exist, right now.

    Point failed.

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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Are you for or against identity chips being forcefully implanted?If you are against it then why give a **** about the reason? Why should you and your fellow liberals mock those who wish ban such things?
    I am against it in most cases. I am also opposed to the government rounding up all red-haired people and burning them as witches.

    However, if you came up to me and asked me to sign a petition to make it illegal for the government to round up red-haired people and burn them as witches, I would laugh in your face and tell you to get off my lawn. Same applies to this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I wonder if that's what many German Jews thought right up until the "showers" started filling the room with poison gas? "Don't be paranoid, things like that can't happen here..."


    Thanks, I was really getting a little concerned that nobody had referenced the Nazi's yet in this thread.

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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Apples and oranges. Space invaders are not known to exist. Our ability to produce black holes artificially is improbable.

    ID implants do exist, right now.

    Point failed.
    Fine then, let's get back to reality. Are you familiar with the constitution? There is already a ban against unwarranted searches. Why would a implant be allowed to all citizens? That would be against privacy laws already in effect.

    Again, this is nothing but paranoia for America.

    Even in your WORST CASE SCENARIO, if our government would do such a thing, they would have to ignore the Constitution completely and if that happens, no bill from congress would save us anyway.

    This was a waste of time.

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