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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

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    Cheap shots are very often funny. Just not this one.
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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

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    Cheap shots are very often funny. Just not this one.
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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Again, because it obviously needs to be repeated, there is a difference in being suspicious (which I don't fault people for being) and downright paranoid.

    If the government were going to install tracking chips on people, they wouldn't even mention it. They would just do it secretly. A bill doesn't stop it. Ever heard of black ops? Do you think congress approves ALL black ops?

    This bill is being done off of paranoia.

    There are those who believe that the idea goes something like this:

    Introduce things like Verichip.

    Tout the wonderful uses, and get some people to accept it voluntarily. (already happening).

    Use a crisis to require by law all citizens to have an ID chip implanted that can be tracked, maybe required for financial transactions, etc. There's the "force" part, out in the open and not covert at all.


    Is it paranoia? Perhaps...but given trends in government toward ever greater intrusiveness and authoritarianism, I'm pleased that at least some states are taking a principled stand that forced implantation must never be tolerated.

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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Are you for or against identity chips being forcefully implanted?If you are against it then why give a **** about the reason? Why should you and your fellow liberals mock those who wish ban such things?
    I am also against space aliens taking over the world, but I don't find it necessary to legislate against it.

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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Again, because it obviously needs to be repeated, there is a difference in being suspicious (which I don't fault people for being) and downright paranoid.

    If the government were going to install tracking chips on people, they wouldn't even mention it. They would just do it secretly. A bill doesn't stop it. Ever heard of black ops? Do you think congress approves ALL black ops?

    This bill is being done off of paranoia.
    Jumping to the conclusion that an observation of a clear trend is paranoia is a mistake and needless defensive maneuver to avoid the subject and ignore the facts.
    The Congress does not approve all black ops but they have oversight powers and the control the purse strings of every operation, either before or after the fact. It would be impossible to keep the widespread use of this technology secret for any length of time. To believe that is to believe in conspiracies and to think they do this type of operation in a wide spread operation would be showing a paranoid tendency.
    This is the type of situation where the solution has been dreamed up and the problem will be created to make implementation easy with little or no resistance because of a perceived benefit that may sound good but will in truth be false and hide the true reasons behind it.
    The more we know about and discuss this type of subject the harder it is to pull it off against an unsuspecting public who might other wise believe the lies they are being told. Wide spread evidence of the citizenry being lied to and believing the lies is the current multitude of nonsense being told about how the Cap and Trade foolishness is going to save the environment when the truth is it will have no appreciable effect what ever but will cause untold misery and hardship in needless increased costs to the working class in this country as it is doing in others.

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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Is it paranoia? Perhaps...but given trends in government toward ever greater intrusiveness and authoritarianism, I'm pleased that at least some states are taking a principled stand that forced implantation must never be tolerated.
    Again you guys are entitled to believe what you want, but I call that paranoia to the fullest.

    Have fun looking for the big bad government coming to getcha

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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Again you guys are entitled to believe what you want, but I call that paranoia to the fullest.

    Have fun looking for the big bad government coming to getcha
    Personally, while I do not believe that the government is out to get us, I also do not believe that it has our best interests in mind.
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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Jumping to the conclusion that an observation of a clear trend is paranoia is a mistake and needless defensive maneuver to avoid the subject and ignore the facts.
    The Congress does not approve all black ops but they have oversight powers and the control the purse strings of every operation, either before or after the fact. It would be impossible to keep the widespread use of this technology secret for any length of time. To believe that is to believe in conspiracies and to think they do this type of operation in a wide spread operation would be showing a paranoid tendency.
    This is the type of situation where the solution has been dreamed up and the problem will be created to make implementation easy with little or no resistance because of a perceived benefit that may sound good but will in truth be false and hide the true reasons behind it.
    The more we know about and discuss this type of subject the harder it is to pull it off against an unsuspecting public who might other wise believe the lies they are being told. Wide spread evidence of the citizenry being lied to and believing the lies is the current multitude of nonsense being told about how the Cap and Trade foolishness is going to save the environment when the truth is it will have no appreciable effect what ever but will cause untold misery and hardship in needless increased costs to the working class in this country as it is doing in others.
    I find the Patriot Act II (something that is real and has been passed) more worrisome than some fictitious situation where the government would implant a chip in people.

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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Personally, while I do not believe that the government is out to get us, I also do not believe that it has our best interests in mind.
    Which again addresses my point that it is ok to be suspicious, but that is different than being paranoid.

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    Re: Bill banning forced identity-chip implants clears House

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Again you guys are entitled to believe what you want, but I call that paranoia to the fullest.

    Have fun looking for the big bad government coming to getcha



    I wonder if that's what many German Jews thought right up until the "showers" started filling the room with poison gas? "Don't be paranoid, things like that can't happen here..."

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