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    Russia to Open Airspace to U.S. for Afghan War

    The Russian government has agreed to let American troops and weapons bound for Afghanistan fly over Russian territory, officials on both sides said Friday. The arrangement will provide an important new corridor for the United States military as it escalates efforts to win the eight-year war.
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    It looks like Obama has made some headway on the world scene with his foreign policy approach. We aren't going to start skipping through the fields with the Russian's, but at least we can cooperate when it suits us both. Hopefully further progress can be made to avoid restarting the cold war. Obama made big promises on changing our Russian relationship, but it appears that there is at least one tangible result for his efforts.

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    Re: Russia to Open Airspace to U.S. for Afghan War

    On the surface this looks like a hell of a break through, but I believe it to be important that we view it with cautious optimism, keeping in mind that Putin is one of the last people on earth worthy of anyone's trust.

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    Re: Russia to Open Airspace to U.S. for Afghan War

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/04/wo.../04russia.html

    It looks like Obama has made some headway on the world scene with his foreign policy approach. We aren't going to start skipping through the fields with the Russian's, but at least we can cooperate when it suits us both. Hopefully further progress can be made to avoid restarting the cold war. Obama made big promises on changing our Russian relationship, but it appears that there is at least one tangible result for his efforts.
    Not really it's in Russia best interested that The Afgan War goes good, don't forget it was Russia(USSR) who brought on the Taliban and Muslim Terrorist Groups wit their invasion of The Afgan.

    As for letting us fly thru there Airspace hey let you in on well know secrete this has been going on since 2004

    As for Russia stopping the move of the S-3000 to Iran it's a smart move by Russia they don't want to be looked like idiots enlight of the elections.

    As for reduction in Nuke Warheads I doult anything will happen not as longs as Russia insist that they can keep troops in Georgia.

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    Re: Russia to Open Airspace to U.S. for Afghan War

    What did he give them to GET that? It doesn't say.
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    Re: Russia to Open Airspace to U.S. for Afghan War

    I like how the NYT is spinning this but if you take a step back - it's clearly a cope out by Obama. Proclaiming some huge diplomacy 'break through' when its nothing more then a flippant promise that could be revoked next week.

    The US has been aiming since, I believe, as early as 2002 to establish airbases somewhere within Central Asia to relive the logistical strain of using airports in Afghanistan and instead of supporting us Russia has been right there condemning the establishments, asking for their withdrawal and what have you. The only reason they haven't put more pressure on Kazakhstan (where the big one's are located), by which I mean invade, is because the country is the new regional powerhouse to the Central Asia scene. Russia does not want to alienate her, especially with a creeping NATO yet Russia happily goes through the SCO to rant, rave, et against the US/ISAF presence within the country constantly.

    Recently they have been more entertained with invading George, occupying the breakaway regions and getting the UN Peacekeepers out for the eventual annexation of Georgia itself. Though the animosity remains.

    For Russia to give us the ability to go through their 'airspace' (no airports, notice that!) is like giving a saltine cracker in return for kicking someone in the nads. Sure, flying over Russia is great (not that it would change much strategically) but I think we should consider that we need airbases to land airplanes on; yeah, that whole strategery [sic] rearing its ugly head again.

    I think a real feat would be a promise of Russia to stop their policy of pressuring Central Asian countries like Uzebekistan to give up their American bases - better yet, use Russia for airbases! Now that would be a true breakthrough, not this - this is just a bunch of hot hair over-hyped by a devoted media outlet who doesn't matter that they have framing issues.

    Not to mention missile defense, Georgia, SCO concerns, trade wars, civil rights, Iran, North Korea, Moldova (especially its break away region) and what have you. Those are still around... But thank goodness we can go over airspace we don't need! Load off my back, that's for sure.
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    Re: Russia to Open Airspace to U.S. for Afghan War

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/04/wo.../04russia.html

    It looks like Obama has made some headway on the world scene with his foreign policy approach. We aren't going to start skipping through the fields with the Russian's, but at least we can cooperate when it suits us both. Hopefully further progress can be made to avoid restarting the cold war. Obama made big promises on changing our Russian relationship, but it appears that there is at least one tangible result for his efforts.
    I really fear that Obama may have promised away too much to the Evil Empire of Russia in order to get these concessions. Did he "trade" away the right of the former imate countries of the Evil Empire such as Ukraine, Georgia, Armenia, the Baltics to defend themselves from Russian invasion and empire rebuilding? We just like Russia's neighbors cannot and should never trust those filthy savages. Remember that it was the Russians who killed more people using genocide and political based murder than Hitler and the Nazi's even dreamed of killing.

    Obama better remember that when you are dealing with Russians you are not dealing with human beings you are dealing with filthy barbaric savages.
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    Re: Russia to Open Airspace to U.S. for Afghan War

    Quote Originally Posted by Metternich View Post
    I like how the NYT is spinning this but if you take a step back - it's clearly a cope out by Obama. Proclaiming some huge diplomacy 'break through' when its nothing more then a flippant promise that could be revoked next week.

    The US has been aiming since, I believe, as early as 2002 to establish airbases somewhere within Central Asia to relive the logistical strain of using airports in Afghanistan and instead of supporting us Russia has been right there condemning the establishments, asking for their withdrawal and what have you. The only reason they haven't put more pressure on Kazakhstan (where the big one's are located), by which I mean invade, is because the country is the new regional powerhouse to the Central Asia scene. Russia does not want to alienate her, especially with a creeping NATO yet Russia happily goes through the SCO to rant, rave, et against the US/ISAF presence within the country constantly.

    Recently they have been more entertained with invading George, occupying the breakaway regions and getting the UN Peacekeepers out for the eventual annexation of Georgia itself. Though the animosity remains.

    For Russia to give us the ability to go through their 'airspace' (no airports, notice that!) is like giving a saltine cracker in return for kicking someone in the nads. Sure, flying over Russia is great (not that it would change much strategically) but I think we should consider that we need airbases to land airplanes on; yeah, that whole strategery [sic] rearing its ugly head again.

    I think a real feat would be a promise of Russia to stop their policy of pressuring Central Asian countries like Uzebekistan to give up their American bases - better yet, use Russia for airbases! Now that would be a true breakthrough, not this - this is just a bunch of hot hair over-hyped by a devoted media outlet who doesn't matter that they have framing issues.

    Not to mention missile defense, Georgia, SCO concerns, trade wars, civil rights, Iran, North Korea, Moldova (especially its break away region) and what have you. Those are still around... But thank goodness we can go over airspace we don't need! Load off my back, that's for sure.
    Gotta crawl before you can walk...I am not going to pretend that this is the perfect situation, especially not knowing our concessions, but until I hear more information I can at least say that it does seem to be a step in the right direction. Whether this ends up being a building block in US-Russian diplomacy is of course not able to be determined, but until I see evidence showing otherwise, I view this as a good thing.

    To the post above, yes a lot of things in our relations are messed up, but progress has to begin somewhere...

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    Re: Russia to Open Airspace to U.S. for Afghan War

    Oh don't get me wrong I want Russia on our side again (like, you know, during the first four or five years of Bush) but the NYT s making this seem like a 'building block' about one second from becoming meeting at Torgau.

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    Re: Russia to Open Airspace to U.S. for Afghan War

    Cooperative relationships I do not mind. What was in this horsetrade I have to ask?

    Payback or something more?
    Thank you

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    Re: Russia to Open Airspace to U.S. for Afghan War

    I find it funny that people are appalled at the prospect that Obama might have given the Russians something THEY want in exchange for something WE want. Let me ask you guys something: Is there anything that Russia actually wants (that the United States doesn't) that you would be willing to trade them for this, or for anything else? I didn't think so.

    No, Russia should just capitulate to all American desires, while getting nothing in return. Russian interests are, by definition, illegitimate and non-negotiable. And you guys wonder why the world often hates American foreign policy.
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