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    Re: Russia to Open Airspace to U.S. for Afghan War

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I find it funny that people are appalled at the prospect that Obama might have given the Russians something THEY want in exchange for something WE want. Let me ask you guys something: Is there anything that Russia actually wants (that the United States doesn't) that you would be willing to trade them for this, or for anything else? I didn't think so.

    No, Russia should just capitulate to all American desires, while getting nothing in return. Russian interests are, by definition, illegitimate and non-negotiable. And you guys wonder why the world often hates American foreign policy.
    I think you are overreacting. I may not care what was given at all. I just want to KNOW what our leaders are giving/trading away on our behalf. Is that really over the top to ask? It appears to be a quite reasonable question to me since we already at least partially know the other side of the equation.
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    Re: Russia to Open Airspace to U.S. for Afghan War

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I find it funny that people are appalled at the prospect that Obama might have given the Russians something THEY want in exchange for something WE want. Let me ask you guys something: Is there anything that Russia actually wants (that the United States doesn't) that you would be willing to trade them for this, or for anything else? I didn't think so.

    No, Russia should just capitulate to all American desires, while getting nothing in return. Russian interests are, by definition, illegitimate and non-negotiable. And you guys wonder why the world often hates American foreign policy.
    I can think of allot of items that Russia would like us to give them,

    Money for starters so they can keep paying their Nuke Army Teams
    Better Trade Agreements
    Look the other way when it comes to Georgia
    Slow NATO down

    Shall I go on or do you get the bigger picture.

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    Re: Russia to Open Airspace to U.S. for Afghan War

    If true, and without undue strings, it could be a major positive development, and a credit to the current Administration.

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    Re: Russia to Open Airspace to U.S. for Afghan War

    Eh, this is stupid. We got something we wanted due to actually cooperating with other nations. This makes attacks via the Afghan War easier, but surprisingly they didn't give us this access when Bush was President. Hmm...

    Oh and also to those who are complaining that Russia can take this offer away at any time, think about what you're saying.

    "This definitely isn't good because of what MIGHT happen even though we already got access from Russia."

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    Re: Russia to Open Airspace to U.S. for Afghan War

    The thing is, there is no information that I am aware of out there telling us what was given (if anything) to Russia in exchange for allowing us to fly through their airspace.

    This is information that I want, so that I can determine for myself if I consider it a worthwhile trade.

    Now, on to your statements.
    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    Eh, this is stupid. We got something we wanted due to actually cooperating with other nations. This makes attacks via the Afghan War easier, but surprisingly they didn't give us this access when Bush was President. Hmm...
    It is possible that Pres Bush didn't want to concede something that Russia wanted in exchange for that privilege. Or any number of other reasons.

    Who knows.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    Oh and also to those who are complaining that Russia can take this offer away at any time, think about what you're saying.

    "This definitely isn't good because of what MIGHT happen even though we already got access from Russia."
    Regarding the possibility that Russia might stop allowing us to fly through their airspace, it seems that all they would need to do is say "stop", and then intercept our aircraft if we tried to fly through anyway.

    And what could we then do to recoup whatever we gave them, if anything?
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    Re: Russia to Open Airspace to U.S. for Afghan War

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    If true, and without undue strings, it could be a major positive development, and a credit to the current Administration.
    I guess some of you missed my first post we HAVE BEEN FLYING THRU RUSSIAN AIRSPACE INTO THE AFGAN SINCE @))$ nothing new here to see folks move along.

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    Re: Russia to Open Airspace to U.S. for Afghan War

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    I guess some of you missed my first post we HAVE BEEN FLYING THRU RUSSIAN AIRSPACE INTO THE AFGAN SINCE @))$ nothing new here to see folks move along.
    If this is correct, then perhaps we traded nothing for the privilege of being allowed to do so?

    And this news story is about nothing whatsoever?

    Hmm...

    Simply a statement of "well, we are allowed to do something that we have been allowed to do for years"?

    Or are their specifics that you are not stating, such as:

    What we have been allowed to transport by air through Russian airspace, and:
    What we are now allowed to transport through Russian airspace.

    If there is a difference, then it is a new item.

    If there is no difference, then it is not.

    And, on a personal note directed at you, Scorpion89: Are you really a navy test pilot instructor? One would think that such a person would know the proper use of punctuation and/or a spell check (which would correct punctuation errors). I ask this because I truly want to know, not to attack you in any way.
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    Re: Russia to Open Airspace to U.S. for Afghan War

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    I can think of allot of items that Russia would like us to give them,

    Money for starters so they can keep paying their Nuke Army Teams
    Better Trade Agreements
    Look the other way when it comes to Georgia
    Slow NATO down

    Shall I go on or do you get the bigger picture.
    Well they looked the other way when it came to Kosovo. Quid Pro Quo

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    Re: Russia to Open Airspace to U.S. for Afghan War

    Quote Originally Posted by Metternich View Post
    Oh don't get me wrong I want Russia on our side again (like, you know, during the first four or five years of Bush) but the NYT s making this seem like a 'building block' about one second from becoming meeting at Torgau.

    Meeting of Russian-US troops at Torgau - WWII

    I had relatives who serevd in the Soviet Red Army and an uncle at the battle of Berlin so I resent the categorization of US meeting 'Russian' troops. The Soviet Union was only 50 % Russian therefore Ukrainians, Belorus's, Armenians, Georgian, Balts, etc fought and many died taking down Germany on the Eastern front. To call the Red Army Russian may be a common mistake but it is a great insult to the good people of what was the Soviet Union to refer to them as 'Russian'.
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    Re: Russia to Open Airspace to U.S. for Afghan War

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    Cooperative relationships I do not mind. What was in this horsetrade I have to ask?

    Payback or something more?
    That is what I am worried about what did 'we' trade away. I know that it is abvious taht I have no regard for Russians but that is not due to racism or ethnic hatred it is based upon the behavior of those savages. The Russians do not have a history of honest dealings so beware , beware, and if taht fails beware some more.
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