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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No. I don't.
    You act based on the perponderance of evidence.
    This necessarily means that things will occour that you did not plan for.

    The only way to be prepared for 'everything' is to have all the facts; to argue that you should wait to act until you have prepared to 'everything' is to argue that you should never act.


    Still waiting for you to show how a conversation regarding the Saudis and 9/11 has relevance in a conversation regarding how to determine what to do when you do not have all the facts.
    Cheney does not want anyone to know of the Saudis or anyother involvment in 9/11, because they were accusing Saadam of having a hand in it. Then he is forced to admit that there was no link between Saadam and 9/11, but there were between the Saudis and 9/11. He doesn't want to reflect because it shows his lies. Remember the evolution of why we went to Iraq? Is it over WMD's or to liberate a people? Bush gave both as answers.

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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    How dishonest of you.
    We got information from them; we didnt ask them if we should invade.

    Still waiting for those quotes.
    Also stiill waiting for the proof thatGWB didnot graduate Harvard and Yale.
    If you cannot produce these things, I'll then accept your admission of being a partisan bigot.
    No, we asked if we would be hailed as liberators.

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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    1. We asked them if the Iraqi's had WMD's and such right? They know we would invade if they said yes.
    Wow. You must be very desperate to make a point.
    Know what non-sequitur means? Your statement, above, is an excellent example. No matter how you want to argue it, askig them for information on WMDs is not asking them if we should invade.

    As I have said countless times, "he failed his way through yale and Harvard." What about that do you not understand? Read it carefully.
    Did he graduate? If so, then how did he fail?
    Or does failing a class or two constitute 'failing his way through'?
    if so, then show what classes he failed.

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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Wow. You must be very desperate to make a point.
    Know what non-sequitur means? Your statement, above, is an excellent example. No matter how you want to argue it, askig them for information on WMDs is not asking them if we should invade.

    Did he graduate? If so, then how did he fail?
    Or does failing a class or two constitute 'failing his way through'?
    if so, then show what classes he failed.
    1. It seems like that because you can only counter it out of context.

    2. If you want to know more about your butt buddy, go ahead and learn about him, but I know more then I care to. And as evidence goes, I made the claim, you provide the contradiction if you can.
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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Cheney does not want anyone to know of the Saudis or anyother involvment in 9/11, because they were accusing Saadam of having a hand in it.
    Aside from the fact that this doesnt in any way show how this is relevant to the discussion...

    False. The Bush administration did not argue that Iraq had a hand in 9-11.

    Then he is forced to admit that there was no link between Saadam and 9/11,
    He never stated otherwise.
    You arent "forced" to admit something that goes against something you never argued.

    He doesn't want to reflect because it shows his lies.
    What lies?
    The one where you state that the administration claimed Saddam had a hand in 9-11?

    Remember the evolution of why we went to Iraq? Is it over WMD's or to liberate a people? Bush gave both as answers.
    That's because both were part of the reason we went, and were from the beginning.

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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    2. If you want to know more about your butt buddy...
    And as evidence goes, I made the claim, you provide the contradiction

    Welcome to intellectual irrelevance.
    Enjoy your stay, as it is likely to be long.

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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post

    Welcome to intellectual irrelevance.
    Enjoy your stay, as it is likely to be long.
    Oh, no, I'm on the way, to a convention. But I see you are employed there

    You want to disprove a point, you must bring the direct contradiction. In this case, you need to show direct proof that says Bush never failed a class.
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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    They never said x as FACT. They said it was PLAUSIBLE. The administration played maybe's as yes...
    In context, how is that wrong?
    Do you know if they had other evidence that put that 'plausible' higher up on the credibility scale?

    See, what you fail to undertsand is that all of the information the Administration had creates a context -- a framework for understanding that information. Any single piece of information, alone, means nothing, but taken as a whole, it then has meaning.

    Take, for instace, the supposed lauch site.
    If there's no other evidence - like, say, a known project for the components necessary for such a missle to be built -- then the site itself means nothing. But, with that other evidence, it means more - if ther is such a missle, then it much launch from somewhere; a new missle needs a new launch site; a new launch site combined with a new missile leands to the strong possibility that the new site is for that new missile.

    You ASSUME there was no other information that supported the idea that the site was for a new missile; that assumption is unsupportable.

    So now there are not 19, there are 19 maybes and 1 no for sho!
    An unsupportable assertion.

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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    You want to disprove a point, you must bring the direct contradiction.
    Sweetie... its your claim.
    Its up to you to back it up, not for others to disprove.

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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    In context, how is that wrong?
    Do you know if they had other evidence that put that 'plausible' higher up on the credibility scale?

    See, what you fail to undertsand is that all of the information the Administration had creates a context -- a framework for understanding that information. Any single piece of information, alone, means nothing, but taken as a whole, it then has meaning.

    Take, for instace, the supposed lauch site.
    If there's no other evidence - like, say, a known project for the components necessary for such a missle to be built -- then the site itself means nothing. But, with that other evidence, it means more - if ther is such a missle, then it much launch from somewhere; a new missle needs a new launch site; a new launch site combined with a new missile leands to the strong possibility that the new site is for that new missile.

    You ASSUME there was no other information that supported the idea that the site was for a new missile; that assumption is unsupportable.


    An unsupportable assertion.
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