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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    "On that, you know I was talking about this past election. Presidents never change in the middle of war, I should hope that you know that and do not proof."
    This isn't an argument, this is a campaign slogan.

    I ignore all assesments, and look for the information that led to said assessments.
    Conveninet way to avoid answering the question.

    And seeing as they were told that Iraq had WMD's by Bush, and didn't have anything else to go on
    I have quotes from Clinton Clinton Gore Kerry Kennedy Albright Pelosi Levin, Byrd Rockefeller Waxman and Grahm, all making the same claims that the Bush administration did -- some of which were made BEFORE Bush took office.

    Please provide a quote from any of them where they claim that the Bush Administration fed then bad/false/incomplete/cherry-picked information.

    only a partisan hack would attack them for not being told the entire truth.
    One you admit you cannot provide any of the above claiming that the Bush Administration fed then bad/false/incomplete/cherry-picked information, you'll admit that -you're- the partisan hack -- right?

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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This isn't an argument, this is a campaign slogan.


    Conveninet way to avoid answering the question.


    I have quotes from Clinton Clinton Gore Kerry Kennedy Albright Pelosi Levin, Byrd Rockefeller Waxman and Grahm, all making the same claims that the Bush administration did -- some of which were made BEFORE Bush took office.

    Please provide a quote from any of them where they claim that the Bush Administration fed then bad/false/incomplete/cherry-picked information.


    One you admit you cannot provide any of the above claiming that the Bush Administration fed then bad/false/incomplete/cherry-picked information, you'll admit that -you're- the partisan hack -- right?
    you're a sore loser
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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    you're a sore loser
    Again:

    Please provide a quote from any of them where they claim that the Bush Administration fed then bad/false/incomplete/cherry-picked information.

    One you admit you cannot provide any of the above claiming that the Bush Administration fed then bad/false/incomplete/cherry-picked information, you'll admit that -you're- the partisan hack -- right?

    Or, you can run away. Your call.

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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    This is my favorite from Meet the Press:

    MR. TIM RUSSERT: Our issues this Sunday: America remembers September 11, 2001. In Iraq, six months ago, the war began with shock and awe. Vice President Dick Cheney appeared on MEET THE PRESS:

    (Videotape, March 16):

    VICE PRES. DICK CHENEY: My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators.

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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    This is my favorite from Meet the Press:
    Not sure how you think this adds anythng of merit to the conversation.

    Especially, given -your- standard, when the American people showed that they trusted Bush/Cheney and their methods for determining the course of action in Iraq.

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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Not sure how you think this adds anythng of merit to the conversation.

    Especially, given -your- standard, when the American people showed that they trusted Bush/Cheney and their methods for determining the course of action in Iraq.
    Once again, show me where America has ever switched Presidents during time of war. Anyway, the people were giving Bush the benefit of the doubt, as he threw Rumsfield under the bus for all the mistakes in Iraq.

    I will, in the spirit of honest discussion, say that I do believe if surge troop levels were used in the beginning, we may not be having this discussion. I think that, as I have said, and you may want to address Goob, that de-Baathification and insufficient troop levels caused all of the major problems in Iraq.

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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    What about these quotes. When Russert asks Cheney why Saudi Arabia was not looked at instead of Iraq, as the biggest supporters of Al Qaeda, rather than answer, Cheney says that the Republican Congress decided to keep the info classified, and says that we should LOOK BACK AS IT IS OVER AND HISTORY. That is absurd!

    VICE PRES. CHENEY: We know that many of the attackers were Saudi. There was also an Egyptian in the bunch. It doesn’t mean those governments had anything to do with that attack. That’s a different proposition than saying the Iraqi government and the Iraqi intelligent service has a relationship with al-Qaeda that developed throughout the decade of the ’90s. That was clearly official policy.

    MR. RUSSERT: There are reports that the investigation Congress did does show a link between the Saudi government and the hijackers but that it will not be released to the public.

    VICE PRES. CHENEY: I don’t know want to speculate on that, Tim, partly because I was involved in reviewing those pages. It was the judgment of our senior intelligence officials, both CIA and FBI that that material needed to remain classified. At some point, we may be able to declassify it, but there are ongoing investigations that might be affected by that release, and for that reason, we kept it classified. The committee knows what’s in there. They helped to prepare it. So it hasn’t been kept secret from the Congress, but from the standpoint of our ongoing investigations, we needed to do that.

    One of the things this points out that’s important for us to understand—so there’s this great temptation to look at these events as discreet events. We got hit on 9/11. So we can go and investigate it. It’s over with now.

    It’s done. It’s history and put it behind us.
    What's he trying to hide?

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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Once again, show me where America has ever switched Presidents during time of war.
    Why? Your standard here is meaningless, and you only put it up because your OTHER standard didnt work out the way you wanted it to.

    Anyway, the people were giving Bush the benefit of the doubt, as he threw Rumsfield under the bus for all the mistakes in Iraq.
    Rumsfeld resigned in 2006.

    I think that, as I have said, and you may want to address Goob, that de-Baathification and insufficient troop levels caused all of the major problems in Iraq.
    That's not part of the discussion here - the discussion is about how to decide what to do when you know you dont have all the facts.

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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    What's he trying to hide?
    Fallacy: red herring
    Whatever it is, if anythnig, it isnt relevant to this conversation.

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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Fallacy: red herring
    Whatever it is, if anythnig, it isnt relevant to this conversation.
    Sure it isn't. Oh, and it is relevant, here is comments on troop levels, which were part of making decisions with little, as you say:

    (Videotape, March 16, 2003):

    MR. RUSSERT: The armyís top general said that we would have to have several hundred thousand troops there for several years in order to maintain stability.

    VICE PRES. CHENEY: I disagree. To suggest that we need several hundred thousand troops there after military operations cease, after the

    conflict ends, I donít think is accurate. I think thatís an overstatement.

    (End videotape)

    MR. RUSSERT: We, in fact, have about 140,000 troops, 20,000 international troops, as well. Did you misjudge the number of troops necessary to secure Iraq after major combat operations?

    VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well, youíre going to get into a debate here aboutótalking about several years, several hundred thousand troops for several years. I think thatís a non-starter. I donít think we have any plan to do that, Tim. I donít think itís necessary to do that. Thereís no question but what weíve encountered resistance. But I donít think anybody expected the time we were there to be absolutely trouble-free. We knew there were holdover elements from the regime that would fight us and struggle. And we also knew al-Qaeda was there, and Ansar al-Islam, up in northeastern Iraq, which weíll come back to, talk about in a minute.

    So I donít think there was a serious misjudgment here. We couldnít know precisely what would happen. There were a lot of contingencies we got ready for that never did happen. You know, for example, one of the things we spent time worried about was that Saddam would destroy his own oil industry, that heíd do in Iraq what he did in Kuwait 12 years ago. The consequence of that, if heíd gone in and blown up those wells, as they contemplated doing, in fact wired some of them for destruction, would have been that the oil industry would have been shut down to zero production, probably for several years, while we tried to restore it. We were able to defeat that. That didnít occur. We had plans for it that we didnít have to execute or implement. So itís like any other process. A plan is only as good until you start to execute, then you have got to make adjustments and so forth. But I donít think there has been a major shift in terms of U.S. troop levels. And I still remain convinced that the judgment that weíll need ďseveral hundred thousand for several yearsĒ is not valid.
    My point being, if the U.S. acts as you say it should, and attack preemptively with little to go on, then should you not ACTUALLY be prepared?

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