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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

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    and the U.S. declared war on the axis of evil, once it was discovered that Hitler had urged Mexico to join him and attack the U.S., just as Japan had.
    That was WWI.
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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

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    No they didn't as a matter of fact for us on the ground 2002 was one of the worst years we had with reguard to working with Iraqi Officials.

    You can thank Mr. Hans Blix for that one.
    http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/new/...20-English.pdf

    'In carrying out its mandate, the United Nations Special Commission
    (UNSCOM) was provided with unprecedented rights of access to Iraq’s relevant
    facilities, personnel, documents and other materials. Despite varying degrees of
    cooperation from the Iraqi authorities at the time, the United Nations inspectors
    successfully oversaw the destruction, removal or rendering harmless of Iraq’s
    declared WMD programmes in the chemical, biological and missile areas. The
    Commission also implemented a monitoring system which essentially ensured that
    proscribed programmes were not revived while international inspectors were
    present'


    Another report said that with the threat of invasion Iraq because 'extremely cooperative'. Give me a moment to find that.
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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

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    We were basically dragged into the war, and the U.S. declared war on the axis of evil, once it was discovered that Hitler had urged Mexico to join him and attack the U.S., just as Japan had.
    Wow just wow look do some research before you make statement like this, for the record, it's called the Zimmermann Telegram,

    On the first of February, we intend to begin unrestricted submarine warfare. In spite of this, it is our intention to endeavor to keep the United States of America neutral. In the event of this not succeeding, we propose an alliance on the following basis with Mexico: That we shall make war together and make peace together. We shall give generous financial support, and an understanding on our part that Mexico is to reconquer the lost territory in New Mexico, Texas, and Arizona. The details of settlement are left to you. You are instructed to inform the President [of Mexico] of the above in the greatest confidence as soon as it is certain that there will be an outbreak of war with the United States and suggest that the President, on his own initiative, invite Japan to immediate adherence with this plan; at the same time, offer to mediate between Japan and ourselves. Please call to the attention of the President that the ruthless employment of our submarines now offers the prospect of compelling England to make peace in a few months.

    The Zimmermann Telegram was a coded telegram said to have been dispatched by the Foreign Secretary of the German Empire, Arthur Zimmermann, on January 16, 1917, to the German ambassador in Washington, Johann von Bernstorff, at the height of World War I. On January 19, Bernstorff, per Zimmermann's request, forwarded the Telegram to the German ambassador in Mexico, Heinrich von Eckardt. Zimmermann sent the Telegram in anticipation of the resumption of unrestricted submarine warfare by the German Empire on February 1, an act which German High Command feared would draw the neutral United States into war on the side of the Allies. The Telegram instructed Ambassador Eckardt that if the United States appeared likely to enter the war he was to approach the Mexican government with a proposal for military alliance. He was to offer Mexico material aid in the reclamation of territory lost during the Mexican-American War, specifically the American states of Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona. Eckardt was also instructed to urge Mexico to help broker an alliance between Germany and Japan.

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmermann_Telegram]Zimmermann Telegram - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Nixon View Post
    http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/new/...20-English.pdf

    'In carrying out its mandate, the United Nations Special Commission
    (UNSCOM) was provided with unprecedented rights of access to Iraq’s relevant
    facilities, personnel, documents and other materials. Despite varying degrees of
    cooperation from the Iraqi authorities at the time, the United Nations inspectors
    successfully oversaw the destruction, removal or rendering harmless of Iraq’s
    declared WMD programmes in the chemical, biological and missile areas. The
    Commission also implemented a monitoring system which essentially ensured that
    proscribed programmes were not revived while international inspectors were
    present'


    Another report said that with the threat of invasion Iraq because 'extremely cooperative'. Give me a moment to find that.
    This report is from 2006, not 2002, and makes no reference to a time frame in the paragraphs containing the passage you quote.
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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Wow just wow look do some research before you make statement like this, for the record, it's called the Zimmermann Telegram,

    On the first of February, we intend to begin unrestricted submarine warfare. In spite of this, it is our intention to endeavor to keep the United States of America neutral. In the event of this not succeeding, we propose an alliance on the following basis with Mexico: That we shall make war together and make peace together. We shall give generous financial support, and an understanding on our part that Mexico is to reconquer the lost territory in New Mexico, Texas, and Arizona. The details of settlement are left to you. You are instructed to inform the President [of Mexico] of the above in the greatest confidence as soon as it is certain that there will be an outbreak of war with the United States and suggest that the President, on his own initiative, invite Japan to immediate adherence with this plan; at the same time, offer to mediate between Japan and ourselves. Please call to the attention of the President that the ruthless employment of our submarines now offers the prospect of compelling England to make peace in a few months.

    The Zimmermann Telegram was a coded telegram said to have been dispatched by the Foreign Secretary of the German Empire, Arthur Zimmermann, on January 16, 1917, to the German ambassador in Washington, Johann von Bernstorff, at the height of World War I. On January 19, Bernstorff, per Zimmermann's request, forwarded the Telegram to the German ambassador in Mexico, Heinrich von Eckardt. Zimmermann sent the Telegram in anticipation of the resumption of unrestricted submarine warfare by the German Empire on February 1, an act which German High Command feared would draw the neutral United States into war on the side of the Allies. The Telegram instructed Ambassador Eckardt that if the United States appeared likely to enter the war he was to approach the Mexican government with a proposal for military alliance. He was to offer Mexico material aid in the reclamation of territory lost during the Mexican-American War, specifically the American states of Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona. Eckardt was also instructed to urge Mexico to help broker an alliance between Germany and Japan.

    Zimmermann Telegram - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    While his war was wrong, his overall statement aint. The US politicians tried very hard to stay out of WW2 with the exception of Roosevelt. The US congress was in many ways pro Nazi Germany and had implemented many of the eugenics laws long before Hilter even dreamed of it. So his statement that the US was dragged into WW2 is very much correct.
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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    While his war was wrong, his overall statement aint. The US tried very hard to stay out of WW2 with the exception of Roosevelt. The US congress was in many ways pro Nazi Germany and had implemented many of the eugenics laws long before Hilter even dreamed of it. So his statement that the US was dragged into WW2 is very much correct.
    Note to history here . . .

    To the very limited extent this was true, eugenics were the darling of the LEFT, the Progressives, and many (probably most) prominent Nazi sympathizers were of that lot, too.

    By the way, EVERYONE was "dragged" into WWII; no one wanted to fight the Axis until they had to.
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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    While his war was wrong, his overall statement aint. The US politicians tried very hard to stay out of WW2 with the exception of Roosevelt. The US congress was in many ways pro Nazi Germany and had implemented many of the eugenics laws long before Hilter even dreamed of it. So his statement that the US was dragged into WW2 is very much correct.
    Well first Pete his WAR sorry if your going to make a post then make sure that you have the correct information as I have shown he was wrong.

    Now on to your post 1940 Congress was Pro-Nazi oh man that is very funny so I guess you must have forgot about Lend-Lease and Four Stacker,and the Eagle Squadron(s) huh.

    Look if you really want to have a discussion on the United State per WWII and how and why we enter then great I suggest that you start a thread in the History Forum an dlets stay on topic in this one.

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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    While his war was wrong, his overall statement aint. The US politicians tried very hard to stay out of WW2 with the exception of Roosevelt. The US congress was in many ways pro Nazi Germany and had implemented many of the eugenics laws long before Hilter even dreamed of it. So his statement that the US was dragged into WW2 is very much correct.
    This is just ridiculous.
    The US didn't join the war because it had no benefits for it.
    While that was bad enough, claiming that the US congress was pro-Nazi is just low and idiotic.
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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    So Scorpion, you are saying that the U.S., after all of the protests not to get involved, done so out of it's desire to protect Europe? No, the U.S. went to war over Pearl Harbor, and nothing more.

    As I admit that I am not a WWII junkie, I know enough of the history to know that the nation as a whole, while supportive and more than willing to supply the European military, had no desire before Pearl Harbor, to join the effort of fighting the Axis. But, you are right, we have digressed. Back to topic, one that I know very much about, the war in Iraq.

    After we sufficiently starved the Iraqi people, allowed no supplies to repair water treatment facilities, and denied medication, all while Saadam was doing fine. We invaded under false pretenses, and wondered why we were not hailed as liberators. The next step is to create thousands of more enemies by de-Baathification, which led to a total loss of trained, professional military and civil workers. Followed by lack of a sufficient occupying force.

    Regardless of all of the incompotence, I supported the surge, and hope that Iraq does indeed become the beacon of hope in the Middle East. I just pray that a lesson in thinking before you act is learned by those that conduct U.S. foreign policy.

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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    So Scorpion, you are saying that the U.S., after all of the protests not to get involved, done so out of it's desire to protect Europe? No, the U.S. went to war over Pearl Harbor, and nothing more.

    As I admit that I am not a WWII junkie, I know enough of the history to know that the nation as a whole, while supportive and more than willing to supply the European military, had no desire before Pearl Harbor, to join the effort of fighting the Axis. But, you are right, we have digressed. Back to topic, one that I know very much about, the war in Iraq.

    After we sufficiently starved the Iraqi people, allowed no supplies to repair water treatment facilities, and denied medication, all while Saadam was doing fine. We invaded under false pretenses, and wondered why we were not hailed as liberators. The next step is to create thousands of more enemies by de-Baathification, which led to a total loss of trained, professional military and civil workers. Followed by lack of a sufficient occupying force.

    Regardless of all of the incompotence, I supported the surge, and hope that Iraq does indeed become the beacon of hope in the Middle East. I just pray that a lesson in thinking before you act is learned by those that conduct U.S. foreign policy.
    First off let me put this up and front I'm pretty sure that I'm the only person on this Forum who spent most of the time period of 1992-2002 in and out of Iraq as a UN Weapons Inspector.

    So with that said I can tell you this most of the crap you have read about the war is just that crap, none of these so-called expert's were ever with us when we try to go into site's.

    Han's Blix my last UN Team Boss never I repete never every went with any Team to do an on-site inspections if he did then he would have discovered what we had been complaining about since 1999 that Saddam was playing a cat and Mouse Game with the UN and that their was some sort of back dorr deal going on because we say allot "FLASHY ITEMS" that high ranking Iraqi Officials had.

    Like I have said I can't wait till 2015 when I can actually sit down and write about my experiance with the UN. Myself and three other folks from my team plan on doing this to get out some of the REAL TRUTH not the Media Bias BS.

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