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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    All of those you cite are a stretch, at best
    Um no you don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about, this is cold hard fact proven by the Iraqi's own documentation:




    WASHINGTON A Pentagon review of about 600,000 documents captured in the Iraq war attests to Saddam Hussein's willingness to use terrorism to target Americans and work closely with jihadist organizations throughout the Middle East.

    The report, released this week by the Institute for Defense Analyses, says it found no "smoking gun" linking Iraq operationally to Al Qaeda. But it does say Saddam collaborated with known Al Qaeda affiliates and a wider constellation of Islamist terror groups.

    The report also undercuts the claim made by many on the left and many at the CIA that Saddam, as a national socialist, was incapable of supporting or collaborating with the Islamist al Qaeda. The report concludes that instead Iraq's relationship with Osama bin Laden's organization was similar to the relationship between the rival Colombian cocaine cartels in the 1990s. Both were rivals in some sense for market share, but also allies when it came to expanding the size of the overall market.

    The Pentagon study finds, "Recognizing Iraq as a second, or parallel, 'terror cartel' that was simultaneously threatened by and somewhat aligned with its rival helps to explain the evidence emerging from the detritus of Saddam's regime."

    A long time skeptic of the connection between al Qaeda and Iraq and a former CIA senior Iraq analyst, Judith Yaphe yesterday said, "I think the report indicates that Saddam was willing to work with almost any group be it nationalist or Islamic, that was willing to work for his objectives. But in the long term he did not trust many of the Islamist groups, especially those linked to Saudi Arabia or Iran." She added, "He really did want to get anti-American operations going. The fact that they had little success shows in part their incompetence and unwilling surrogates."

    A former Bush administration official who was a member of the counter-terrorism evaluation group that analyzed terror networks and links between terrorists and states, David Wurmser, said he felt the report began to vindicate his point of view.

    "This is the beginning of the process of exposing Saddam's involvement in Islamic terror. But it is only the beginning. Time and declassification I'm sure will reveal yet more," he said. "Even so, this report is damning to those who doubted Saddam Hussein's involvement with Jihadist terrorist groups. It devastates one of the central myths plaguing our government prior to 9-11, that a Jihadist group would not cooperate with a secular regime and vice versa."

    The report concludes that Saddam until the final months of his regime was willing to attack America. Its conclusion asks "Is there anything in the captured archives to indicate that Saddam had the will to use his terrorist capabilities directly against the United States?" It goes on, "Judging from Saddam's statements before the 1991 Gulf War with the United States, the answer is yes." As for after the Gulf War, the report states, "The rise of Islamist fundamentalism in the region gave Saddam the opportunity to make terrorism, one of the few tools remaining in Saddam's 'coercion' tool box." It goes on, "Evidence that was uncovered and analyzed attests to the existence of a terrorist capability and a willingness to use it until the day Saddam was forced to flee Baghdad by Coalition forces." The report does note that it is unclear whether Saddam would have authorized terrorism against American targets in the final months of his regime before Operation Iraqi Freedom five years ago. "The answer to the question of Saddam's will in the final months in power remains elusive," it says.


    Report Details Saddam's Terrorist Ties - March 14, 2008 - The New York Sun
    Here's a rather telling document from DOCEX which shows how Saddam was recruiting suicide volunteers right up until at least 2001 to attack U.S. interests:

    Wednesday, April 05, 2006

    March 2001 Document: Saddam Regime Recruits Suicide Terrorists to Hit US Interests (Translation)


    Page 6 from document BIAP 2003-000654 is a Top Secret letter dated March/11/2001 six months prior to 9/11/2001, proves that not only Saddam Regime supported terrorists organization like Hamas and Al Qaeda as we have learned from other documents but also they were recruiting Suicide Terrorist Bombers to hit US interests. Saddam Regime was a TERRORIST REGIME and there was no other way but to destroy it after 9/11.

    Beginning of the translation of page 6 from document BIAP 2003-000654

    In the Name of God the Merciful The Compassionate

    Top Secret

    The Command of Ali Bin Abi Taleb Air Force Base
    No 3/6/104
    Date 11 March 2001
    To all the Units

    Subject: Volunteer for Suicide Mission

    The top secret letter 2205 of the Military Branch of Al Qadisya on 4/3/2001 announced by the top secret letter 246 from the Command of the military sector of Zi Kar on 8/3/2001 announced to us by the top secret letter 154 from the Command of Ali Military Division on 10/3/2001 we ask to provide that Division with the names of those who desire to volunteer for Suicide Mission to liberate Palestine and to strike American Interests and according what is shown below to please review and inform us.

    Air Brigadier General
    Abdel Magid Hammot Ali
    Commander of Ali Bin Abi Taleb Air Force Base
    Air Colonel
    Mohamad Majed Mohamadi.
    End of translation of page 6

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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    A) No the 9-11 Commission Report found numerous links between AQ and Saddam just no collaborative relationship.

    B) I didn't say AQ proper I said AQ affiliates.

    C) The Pentagon Review of the DOCEX release entitled the "Iraqi Perspectives Project, Saddam and Terrorism: Emerging Insights from Captured Iraqi Documents (Redacted)," proves conclusively that Saddam was sponsoring terrorist activities against the U.S. right up to the fall of Baghdad.
    Depends on who you believe, I guess. The information is way too much for me to read all of it, so you have to depend on somebody else's interpretation.

    To the point, though, in 2003, I don't recall having any fear of Iraq or an attack from that country, especially since it was pretty much under our control since the 1991 war. Hussein/Iraq was no threat to us.

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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    Depends on who you believe, I guess. The information is way too much for me to read all of it, so you have to depend on somebody else's interpretation.
    The relevant information is in the first PDF here's a short summary and an actual document from DOCEX:


    WASHINGTON A Pentagon review of about 600,000 documents captured in the Iraq war attests to Saddam Hussein's willingness to use terrorism to target Americans and work closely with jihadist organizations throughout the Middle East.

    The report, released this week by the Institute for Defense Analyses, says it found no "smoking gun" linking Iraq operationally to Al Qaeda. But it does say Saddam collaborated with known Al Qaeda affiliates and a wider constellation of Islamist terror groups.

    The report also undercuts the claim made by many on the left and many at the CIA that Saddam, as a national socialist, was incapable of supporting or collaborating with the Islamist al Qaeda. The report concludes that instead Iraq's relationship with Osama bin Laden's organization was similar to the relationship between the rival Colombian cocaine cartels in the 1990s. Both were rivals in some sense for market share, but also allies when it came to expanding the size of the overall market.

    The Pentagon study finds, "Recognizing Iraq as a second, or parallel, 'terror cartel' that was simultaneously threatened by and somewhat aligned with its rival helps to explain the evidence emerging from the detritus of Saddam's regime."

    A long time skeptic of the connection between al Qaeda and Iraq and a former CIA senior Iraq analyst, Judith Yaphe yesterday said, "I think the report indicates that Saddam was willing to work with almost any group be it nationalist or Islamic, that was willing to work for his objectives. But in the long term he did not trust many of the Islamist groups, especially those linked to Saudi Arabia or Iran." She added, "He really did want to get anti-American operations going. The fact that they had little success shows in part their incompetence and unwilling surrogates."

    A former Bush administration official who was a member of the counter-terrorism evaluation group that analyzed terror networks and links between terrorists and states, David Wurmser, said he felt the report began to vindicate his point of view.

    "This is the beginning of the process of exposing Saddam's involvement in Islamic terror. But it is only the beginning. Time and declassification I'm sure will reveal yet more," he said. "Even so, this report is damning to those who doubted Saddam Hussein's involvement with Jihadist terrorist groups. It devastates one of the central myths plaguing our government prior to 9-11, that a Jihadist group would not cooperate with a secular regime and vice versa."

    The report concludes that Saddam until the final months of his regime was willing to attack America. Its conclusion asks "Is there anything in the captured archives to indicate that Saddam had the will to use his terrorist capabilities directly against the United States?" It goes on, "Judging from Saddam's statements before the 1991 Gulf War with the United States, the answer is yes." As for after the Gulf War, the report states, "The rise of Islamist fundamentalism in the region gave Saddam the opportunity to make terrorism, one of the few tools remaining in Saddam's 'coercion' tool box." It goes on, "Evidence that was uncovered and analyzed attests to the existence of a terrorist capability and a willingness to use it until the day Saddam was forced to flee Baghdad by Coalition forces." The report does note that it is unclear whether Saddam would have authorized terrorism against American targets in the final months of his regime before Operation Iraqi Freedom five years ago. "The answer to the question of Saddam's will in the final months in power remains elusive," it says.


    Report Details Saddam's Terrorist Ties - March 14, 2008 - The New York Sun
    Wednesday, April 05, 2006

    March 2001 Document: Saddam Regime Recruits Suicide Terrorists to Hit US Interests (Translation)


    Page 6 from document BIAP 2003-000654 is a Top Secret letter dated March/11/2001 six months prior to 9/11/2001, proves that not only Saddam Regime supported terrorists organization like Hamas and Al Qaeda as we have learned from other documents but also they were recruiting Suicide Terrorist Bombers to hit US interests. Saddam Regime was a TERRORIST REGIME and there was no other way but to destroy it after 9/11.

    Beginning of the translation of page 6 from document BIAP 2003-000654

    In the Name of God the Merciful The Compassionate

    Top Secret

    The Command of Ali Bin Abi Taleb Air Force Base
    No 3/6/104
    Date 11 March 2001
    To all the Units

    Subject: Volunteer for Suicide Mission

    The top secret letter 2205 of the Military Branch of Al Qadisya on 4/3/2001 announced by the top secret letter 246 from the Command of the military sector of Zi Kar on 8/3/2001 announced to us by the top secret letter 154 from the Command of Ali Military Division on 10/3/2001 we ask to provide that Division with the names of those who desire to volunteer for Suicide Mission to liberate Palestine and to strike American Interests and according what is shown below to please review and inform us.

    Air Brigadier General
    Abdel Magid Hammot Ali
    Commander of Ali Bin Abi Taleb Air Force Base
    Air Colonel
    Mohamad Majed Mohamadi.
    End of translation of page 6
    To the point, though, in 2003, I don't recall having any fear of Iraq or an attack from that country, especially since it was pretty much under our control since the 1991 war. Hussein/Iraq was no threat to us.
    The ISS was not under control they were sponsoring terrorist activities and fomenting radical Islamist allies (including AQ affiliates) for their clandestine war against the U.S.. Saddam through his actions violated the armistice.

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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Um no you don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about, this is cold hard fact proven by the Iraqi's own documentation:





    Here's a rather telling document from DOCEX which shows how Saddam was recruiting suicide volunteers right up until at least 2001 to attack U.S. interests:
    The first citation tells nothing but that there are indications. You have one letter, that I will give you, does show interest in sponsoring terror over U.S. support of Israel. Other than that, nothing that justifies invasion when the U.S. had Iraq so embargoed that the people did not even have running water.

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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    The first citation tells nothing but that there are indications.
    It didn't say "indications" it made unqualified assertions stating that Saddam was in fact sponsoring terrorism against the U.S..

    You have one letter,
    No there are thousands of letters located in the first PDF of the link to the DOCEX review which I provided you.

    that I will give you, does show interest in sponsoring terror over U.S. support of Israel. Other than that, nothing that justifies invasion when the U.S. had Iraq so embargoed that the people did not even have running water.
    O.K. so sponsoring terrorist activities against the U.S. is no longer an act of war. Gotcha.

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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Um no you don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about, this is cold hard fact proven by the Iraqi's own documentation:





    Here's a rather telling document from DOCEX which shows how Saddam was recruiting suicide volunteers right up until at least 2001 to attack U.S. interests:
    Such a threat to the US.

    But up until shortly before the 1991 war, Iraq and the US were good buddies. We backed him during the Iran/Iraq war, removed Iraq from our list of terrorist nations so Saddam could do business freely, treated Saddam's Iraq like a regular ally. And this was done at the time when saddam actually was committing atrocities using chemical weapons, with our knowledge. President Reagan didn't seem to have much of a problem with Hussein, wasn't scared of him at all.

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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    It didn't say "indications" it made unqualified assertions stating that Saddam was in fact sponsoring terrorism against the U.S..



    No there are thousands of letters located in the first PDF of the link to the DOCEX review which I provided you.



    O.K. so sponsoring terrorist activities against the U.S. is no longer an act of war. Gotcha.
    Have we declared war on Saudi Arabia? We have know for years that they provide funds to terrorist groups.

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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Have we declared war on Saudi Arabia? We have know for years that they provide funds to terrorist groups.
    Damn good point. And, lest we forget, we were attacked on our soil by 19 Saudi Arabians on 9/11/2001.

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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    Depends on who you believe, I guess. The information is way too much for me to read all of it, so you have to depend on somebody else's interpretation.

    To the point, though, in 2003, I don't recall having any fear of Iraq or an attack from that country, especially since it was pretty much under our control since the 1991 war. Hussein/Iraq was no threat to us.
    If Iraq had WMD's (as was believed...read first post of this thread) Israel had every reason to worry about their continued existence as a nation.

    If Israel launched a defensive first strike without proof or provocation a large regional war could have started.

    We prevented that greater war.

    OBL 11/24/02

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    Re: Saddam: 'I Lied About WMD In Fear Of Iran'

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    Damn good point. And, lest we forget, we were attacked on our soil by 19 Saudi Arabians on 9/11/2001.
    A majority of them were Saudi but not all of them, fwiw.

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