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Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

a little fine? some of them should be jailed, put in a chain gang, and made to clean up litter....

I have said this many times, I KNOW many people who have plenty of money to buy family medical insurance, but do not. They would rather have a collection of DVD's, video games, internet, cable TV, cell phones, a jacked up 4x4 that never goes off road, etc.
When the irresponsible stop stealing my contributions to the tax collector, then my taxes MIGHT go down....
OK, that part might be naive, but you get the point.

Can anyone here give me any justification for these kinds of parents NOT being fined?:shock:
Yeah, this little thing called FREEDOM and LIBERTY and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Has it occured to anyone here that if these people had a smaller less secure "Safety Net" they might actually do something about the issue instead of relying on your tax dollars?
 
Yeah, this little thing called FREEDOM and LIBERTY and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Has it occured to anyone here that if these people had a smaller less secure "Safety Net" they might actually do something about the issue instead of relying on your tax dollars?

No one should be free or at liberty to pursue happiness at the expense of others.
It happens, but it is not supposed to be part of the American dream.

We need a better safety net, one that only protects those who contribute to its making.
 
The better question would be, why do they still have their children since they show such gross negligence?

We don't want to become a nation of orphanages. I am all for criminalizing poor parenting. For those who say "it takes a village to raise a child", I say let the village first decide who gets to have children. If you don't measure up to a minimum standard in parenting skills, you don't get to have kids.
My parents should have been sterilized after the first one, especially my mother. She loved babies, but had no use for them after they had their 3rd birthday....
 
No one should be free or at liberty to pursue happiness at the expense of others.

It happens, but it is not supposed to be part of the American dream.

We need a better safety net, one that only protects those who contribute to its making.

That guy in the white house? He wants you born in a safety net, and to die in one.

Guess what more people will do? Take advantage of it. And that means at your expense.
 
No one should be free or at liberty to pursue happiness at the expense of others.
It happens, but it is not supposed to be part of the American dream.


We need a better safety net, one that only protects those who contribute to its making.

Sounds like an argument for not requiring treatment for people who refuse to obtain a way to pay for it.
 
No one should be free or at liberty to pursue happiness at the expense of others.
It happens, but it is not supposed to be part of the American dream.

We need a better safety net, one that only protects those who contribute to its making.

That doesn't make any sense. If you limit the safety net to only those who contribute to it, then no one will need it because those who can contribute to it are well-off enough to afford those benefits of that safety net.

So from that you argument must believe that we should dissolve the social programs of this country. Sounds great.
 
Yeah, so where are all those folks that screamed about their lost "rights" under the Patriot Act at now? Freedom? Not in the USSA...

Let's not forget the Military Commissions Act.

Also, I love how you put that: "rights."

:lol:

Anyway, I'm no fan of imperial Presidents in general.

This is not the change I was voting for.

This isn't change at all.
 
We don't want to become a nation of orphanages. I am all for criminalizing poor parenting. For those who say "it takes a village to raise a child", I say let the village first decide who gets to have children. If you don't measure up to a minimum standard in parenting skills, you don't get to have kids.
My parents should have been sterilized after the first one, especially my mother. She loved babies, but had no use for them after they had their 3rd birthday....

I'm not really in favor of any of that. I just don't understand why anyone should have to provide for someone with poor parenting and life skills.

So far these people receive little individual punishment for their terrible choices.
We need to end welfare benefits completely.
 
I'm not really in favor of any of that. I just don't understand why anyone should have to provide for someone with poor parenting and life skills.

So far these people receive little individual punishment for their terrible choices.
We need to end welfare benefits completely.

I am an old guy, seen a lot of things, and I can tell you that there really are SOME people who need our help and cannot do much to earn it. But MOST of the recipients of welfare can be put to work doing something. It is called workfare, and should be required of all able bodied persons needing help from the taxpayers...
 
I am an old guy, seen a lot of things, and I can tell you that there really are SOME people who need our help and cannot do much to earn it. But MOST of the recipients of welfare can be put to work doing something. It is called workfare, and should be required of all able bodied persons needing help from the taxpayers...

I completely understand people that are truly less than fortunate enough to help themselves.

Children that are born with downs syndrome and things similar to that have no problem with me. My grocery store has a nice woman who has downs syndrome and she is as functional as can be expected. I'd be proud to offer her help of the welfare kind.

On the other hand I see people who are massively obese rolling around in motor powered chairs, paid for by government, which only exacerbates their condition. Toss them to the wolves.
 
I completely understand people that are truly less than fortunate enough to help themselves.

Children that are born with downs syndrome and things similar to that have no problem with me. My grocery store has a nice woman who has downs syndrome and she is as functional as can be expected. I'd be proud to offer her help of the welfare kind.

On the other hand I see people who are massively obese rolling around in motor powered chairs, paid for by government, which only exacerbates their condition. Toss them to the wolves.

sounds like a recipe for mutliple hernias....
I say render them for lard first...
 
I am an old guy, seen a lot of things, and I can tell you that there really are SOME people who need our help and cannot do much to earn it. But MOST of the recipients of welfare can be put to work doing something. It is called workfare, and should be required of all able bodied persons needing help from the taxpayers...

Bring back the CCC! The nation's natural resources are in need of a face lift, and I think a full day's physical labor would make many of these deadbeats rethink living off the government.
 
Bring back the CCC! The nation's natural resources are in need of a face lift, and I think a full day's physical labor would make many of these deadbeats rethink living off the government.

My dad was involved with that. If he was still alive, he would be 97 now.
Seems to me there should be some kind of national service even when the economy is good.
 
I completely understand people that are truly less than fortunate enough to help themselves.

Children that are born with downs syndrome and things similar to that have no problem with me. My grocery store has a nice woman who has downs syndrome and she is as functional as can be expected. I'd be proud to offer her help of the welfare kind.

On the other hand I see people who are massively obese rolling around in motor powered chairs, paid for by government, which only exacerbates their condition. Toss them to the wolves.

I see Down's syndrome workers quite a bit. They don't seem to have the idea that everybody else owes them a living. They need some supervision after work that parents, or group homes, provide, but they are good workers.
And yet, so many mentally and physically fit among us want to be paid to do nothing.
 
sounds like a recipe for mutliple hernias....
I say render them for lard first...

:rofl

I see Down's syndrome workers quite a bit. They don't seem to have the idea that everybody else owes them a living. They need some supervision after work that parents, or group homes, provide, but they are good workers.
And yet, so many mentally and physically fit among us want to be paid to do nothing.

On my way to work I pass by government subsidized apartment building.
I usually see a few of massively obese auto chair riders making their way out of the building grounds, wearing sweat pants too small to cover their overhanging stomach flab that covers their privates. <shudders> :2sick1:

It makes me sick knowing I have to go to work while they are drawing disability checks and getting free or near free rent, food and medical care.

I've known several, real disabled people that don't ask for hand outs and try to make it own their own as best as possible.
 
My dad was involved with that. If he was still alive, he would be 97 now.
Seems to me there should be some kind of national service even when the economy is good.

The way I see it, the reason such a program will have trouble today is that it forces some to admit there is a problem with our welfare programs- advocates would never allow a program to be put into place, as it would mean accepting that many welfare recipients are lazy, obese deadbeats with no intentions or desires to contribute towards their own well being or the good of society. Welfare state supporters want to deceive the public into believing that the vast majority of people on welfare are injured veterans, mentally disabled, or unable to work by circumstances beyond their control. While this may be true of some recipients, one would have to be intensely naive to believe this is the majority of recipients.

Allowing a work based support system for the poor would force socialist politicians to admit that there is a huge problem with their system. It would be like asking Apple to sell Windows products in the Apple stores- why would they want to admit that their system isn't the solution for everybody? (Please refrain from Mac vs. PC arguments)
 
If you get sick or injured and you do not have health insurance there should be some repercussions - perhaps legal - for forcing others to subsidize your health care costs. Not sure that a $1,000 fine is the best idea, but I agree with it in principle. Refusing life-saving treatment to people is hardly an option, so we must incentivize people to purchase health insurance.
 
I'm one of those folks that believe Government, IS the problem... and since you back the Government... you're the problem.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x59wNGHe6iI"]YouTube - President Reagan - Government is the Problem[/ame]
 
If you get sick or injured and you do not have health insurance there should be some repercussions - perhaps legal - for forcing others to subsidize your health care costs. Not sure that a $1,000 fine is the best idea, but I agree with it in principle. Refusing life-saving treatment to people is hardly an option, so we must incentivize people to purchase health insurance.

I really don't understand how people call themselves libertarians and talk like this.

Anyway, if you can't afford it, why do you deserve it? What right do you have to the labor of anyone else?
 
I really don't understand how people call themselves libertarians and talk like this.

Anyway, if you can't afford it, why do you deserve it? What right do you have to the labor of anyone else?

What do you mean? You both seem to be on the same page. There are tens of millions of people in this country who don't have health insurance. Most can afford it but just take a chance they won't need it. But if they get hurt or sick who pays for their medical care? The people paying every month pay for it.

How much would our insurance bills be if 40 million more people suddenly started paying their fair share into the system?
 
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I really don't understand how people call themselves libertarians and talk like this.

Anyway, if you can't afford it, why do you deserve it? What right do you have to the labor of anyone else?

We make people buy atuo insurance before letting them drive, but some break that law and drive anyway. Likewise, some refuse to buy health insurance but LIVE anyway. Problem is, they want health care on demand without having a paid up policy that pays for the health care, or adequate resources to pay for it.

If adults won't pay for health insurance, we should let them die where the injury occurs. no sense wasting an ambulance trip on someone who WANTS to die.:roll:

I assume you have adequate coverage?
 
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