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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    No one should be free or at liberty to pursue happiness at the expense of others.

    It happens, but it is not supposed to be part of the American dream.

    We need a better safety net, one that only protects those who contribute to its making.
    That guy in the white house? He wants you born in a safety net, and to die in one.

    Guess what more people will do? Take advantage of it. And that means at your expense.
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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    No one should be free or at liberty to pursue happiness at the expense of others.
    It happens, but it is not supposed to be part of the American dream.


    We need a better safety net, one that only protects those who contribute to its making.
    Sounds like an argument for not requiring treatment for people who refuse to obtain a way to pay for it.
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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    No one should be free or at liberty to pursue happiness at the expense of others.
    It happens, but it is not supposed to be part of the American dream.

    We need a better safety net, one that only protects those who contribute to its making.
    That doesn't make any sense. If you limit the safety net to only those who contribute to it, then no one will need it because those who can contribute to it are well-off enough to afford those benefits of that safety net.

    So from that you argument must believe that we should dissolve the social programs of this country. Sounds great.

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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Yeah, so where are all those folks that screamed about their lost "rights" under the Patriot Act at now? Freedom? Not in the USSA...
    Let's not forget the Military Commissions Act.

    Also, I love how you put that: "rights."



    Anyway, I'm no fan of imperial Presidents in general.

    This is not the change I was voting for.

    This isn't change at all.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    We don't want to become a nation of orphanages. I am all for criminalizing poor parenting. For those who say "it takes a village to raise a child", I say let the village first decide who gets to have children. If you don't measure up to a minimum standard in parenting skills, you don't get to have kids.
    My parents should have been sterilized after the first one, especially my mother. She loved babies, but had no use for them after they had their 3rd birthday....
    I'm not really in favor of any of that. I just don't understand why anyone should have to provide for someone with poor parenting and life skills.

    So far these people receive little individual punishment for their terrible choices.
    We need to end welfare benefits completely.
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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm not really in favor of any of that. I just don't understand why anyone should have to provide for someone with poor parenting and life skills.

    So far these people receive little individual punishment for their terrible choices.
    We need to end welfare benefits completely.
    I am an old guy, seen a lot of things, and I can tell you that there really are SOME people who need our help and cannot do much to earn it. But MOST of the recipients of welfare can be put to work doing something. It is called workfare, and should be required of all able bodied persons needing help from the taxpayers...
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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I am an old guy, seen a lot of things, and I can tell you that there really are SOME people who need our help and cannot do much to earn it. But MOST of the recipients of welfare can be put to work doing something. It is called workfare, and should be required of all able bodied persons needing help from the taxpayers...
    I completely understand people that are truly less than fortunate enough to help themselves.

    Children that are born with downs syndrome and things similar to that have no problem with me. My grocery store has a nice woman who has downs syndrome and she is as functional as can be expected. I'd be proud to offer her help of the welfare kind.

    On the other hand I see people who are massively obese rolling around in motor powered chairs, paid for by government, which only exacerbates their condition. Toss them to the wolves.
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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I completely understand people that are truly less than fortunate enough to help themselves.

    Children that are born with downs syndrome and things similar to that have no problem with me. My grocery store has a nice woman who has downs syndrome and she is as functional as can be expected. I'd be proud to offer her help of the welfare kind.

    On the other hand I see people who are massively obese rolling around in motor powered chairs, paid for by government, which only exacerbates their condition. Toss them to the wolves.
    sounds like a recipe for mutliple hernias....
    I say render them for lard first...
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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I am an old guy, seen a lot of things, and I can tell you that there really are SOME people who need our help and cannot do much to earn it. But MOST of the recipients of welfare can be put to work doing something. It is called workfare, and should be required of all able bodied persons needing help from the taxpayers...
    Bring back the CCC! The nation's natural resources are in need of a face lift, and I think a full day's physical labor would make many of these deadbeats rethink living off the government.

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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by Bootsavich View Post
    Bring back the CCC! The nation's natural resources are in need of a face lift, and I think a full day's physical labor would make many of these deadbeats rethink living off the government.
    My dad was involved with that. If he was still alive, he would be 97 now.
    Seems to me there should be some kind of national service even when the economy is good.
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