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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    What's the justification for forcing doctors to treat patients?
    Maybe there isn't one. Is that your stance?

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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    I want a direct quote from the section of the bill that says this. I call BS on Faux News because this information that has been released has said the opposite of this. Prove the article's ideas and let me know. Otherwise, this is more right wing scare tactics.

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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Alright, well come on then, what IS your solution? You're partly just pointing out the some flaws to the moderate/liberal solution. The rest of your post is hyperbolic drama. Put yourself out there, let us see what you've got.

    How, for instance, would you cease letting ERs be the family doctor for the poor, exactly?

    No, I haven't figured you out! That's why I am asking what, specifically, you do want to do. I am having trouble reading your mind, and I can't come up with my own market solution that will address all the problems even you allude to as being part of any truly market solution.

    So, let's hear it.
    Actually I gave you answers.


    See this is where the Left and Right can never meet, because one side inherinetly believes they have a moral obligation to protect people "from themselves" and the other believes people should be given freedom to succeed or fail.

    One side thinks life HAS to be fair, the other believes fair is giving each person the a fair chance.

    You don't get that. You are stuck on "CRISIS IN HEALTHCARE" there is no crisis. Period. Is it costly? Yes, can that be addressed? Yes, read through what I wrote above, remove the sarcasm and there in lies the heart of "our fix".

    Unlike you, I don't believe that Government taking over will help in anyway, shape fashion or form.
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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Actually I gave you answers.


    See this is where the Left and Right can never meet, because one side inherinetly believes they have a moral obligation to protect people "from themselves" and the other believes people should be given freedom to succeed or fail.

    One side thinks life HAS to be fair, the other believes fair is giving each person the a fair chance.

    You don't get that. You are stuck on "CRISIS IN HEALTHCARE" there is no crisis. Period. Is it costly? Yes, can that be addressed? Yes, read through what I wrote above, remove the sarcasm and there in lies the heart of "our fix".

    Unlike you, I don't believe that Government taking over will help in anyway, shape fashion or form.
    There is no crisis in Health Care..... HAHA. I have a bridge to sell you!

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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Maybe there isn't one. Is that your stance?
    That's exactly it.

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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    There is no crisis in Health Care..... HAHA. I have a bridge to sell you!
    What are the aspects of the crisis. Please just list them and don't go on a long tirade. Make your list something like:

    1. Uninsured Americans
    2. High cost

    etc.

    This way there can be structure to the debate.

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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Ok, so just so we all understand...

    Is the conservative solution to health care to allow everyone to simply choose to buy health coverage, or not as the case may be? And then, if a person shows up at an emergency room or doctor's office with no insurance or cash in hand, refuse to treat them? This is the purely free market solution, isn't it? Let them die if they don't have a way to pay?

    Because, if not, and we are going to give them care, or require them to be cared for, we are all paying for that health care one way or another. Care givers have to cover the costs of providing it, and the money doesn't magically appear out of thin air: They charge all the other patients more!

    At least with the fine, they have paid us out in advance for covering their risk. This is a solution to please the center of the political spectrum... I would prefer socialized medicine.

    So, just so we all understand, please tell us the conservative solution to providing health care, or not, as the case may be. What is your alternative to requiring people to obtain insurance? What would please conservatives?
    The conservative idea should be, to leave this issue to the individual states, since it is their legislatures, and their own appointed commissioners who regulate the insurance industry and write its laws. There is no need for federal intervention, because the power to make any necessary changes already exists at the state level. Once again, it is an unecessary growth of government.

    Now, for the people that believe they are being overcharged for healthcare, lets make this personal for you, so you all grasp the idea of what you are paying for.

    I come to you, asking you to take on the risk of my healthcare needs. In this scenario I have a wife and two kids. I agree that I will pay for the first $1500 of medical care, and will pay for 20% of my healthcare costs up to $7500 at which point you have to pay 100% for everything, up to a 2 million dollar limit. You also agree to cover yearly physicals and dental checkups for all my family members, 100%.

    How much do you think you should charge me, with the risk you are assuming on my behalf?
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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    For all these people saying that the tax payers will have to pay if I do not have insurance and dont have $KK in the bank and I have some type of medical crisis is not correct. Sure some that may be disabled due to the medical issue will not be able to pay but all hospitals will allow you to make payments if you cannot pay in full at the time.

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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    a little fine? some of them should be jailed, put in a chain gang, and made to clean up litter....

    I have said this many times, I KNOW many people who have plenty of money to buy family medical insurance, but do not. They would rather have a collection of DVD's, video games, internet, cable TV, cell phones, a jacked up 4x4 that never goes off road, etc.
    When the irresponsible stop stealing my contributions to the tax collector, then my taxes MIGHT go down....
    OK, that part might be naive, but you get the point.

    Can anyone here give me any justification for these kinds of parents NOT being fined?
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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    On a side note, how exactly does this compare to the Government recording my personal phone calls (Patriot Act)?
    So exactly what terrorists phone calls are you receiving?
    Thank you

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