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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    The only other option is for the AMA to allow more doctors. But again, that could have its own unintended consequences, specifically decrease in quality.
    Another thing is how we educate doctors.

    It is completely antiquated and time consuming for no reason.
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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    They don't deserve the labor of others. The world owes us nothing.
    An unethical and frankly inhuman worldview. The world owes us nothing.... ok, I can buy that as it is stated, but you infer that we must be disconnected from our fellow human beings, particularly financially. Sorry. Don't buy it. It's an immoral way to live.

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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    An unethical and frankly inhuman worldview. The world owes us nothing.... ok, I can buy that as it is stated, but you infer that we must be disconnected from our fellow human beings, particularly financially. Sorry. Don't buy it. It's an immoral way to live.
    Not wanting to help other people is immoral, but when I force people to pay money to them it's an immoral act on my part.

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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    If you aren't going to be part of the health care solution then you are part of the problem.
    Wrong. It has nothing to do with the health care solution. People like THIS are what is part of the problem:



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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Wrong. It has nothing to do with the health care solution. People like THIS are what is part of the problem:



    I swear I see this almost everyday I go to work, although they aren't in the Burger King drive thru.
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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Are you assuming that the money saved will be spent going to college?
    My experience is that MOST people in good health who do not have health insurance are spending the money on non-essentials.
    If you are unlucky and get cancer between the age of 18 and 25, who pays?
    Do you expect to be let off the hook for the big bucks? or do you expect to spend the rest of your life paying for it?
    So the government should force people to spend THEIR money on health insurance? People should be free to do what they want with their money, even spend it foolishly. Most people get health insurance anyway, but it should be their choice.

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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by Polimaster View Post
    So the government should force people to spend THEIR money on health insurance? People should be free to do what they want with their money, even spend it foolishly. Most people get health insurance anyway, but it should be their choice.
    While on the surface i would agree with you; yet there is much more depth than that.

    If someone does not have "major medical coverage," and they happen to break their arm, or become extremely ill, that it requires major medical care to keep them alive (which is what doctors swear to), the long run result will be greater health care costs for everyone, and possibly negative impacts on others health (opportunity cost of charity).
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    If someone does not have "major medical coverage," and they happen to break their arm, or become extremely ill, that it requires major medical care to keep them alive (which is what doctors swear to), the long run result will be greater health care costs for everyone, and possibly negative impacts on others health (opportunity cost of charity).
    It all sounds well and good, but you're ignoring the negative consequences of insurance. You know what the flaw of insurance is, just go ahead and state it.

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