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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    They don't deserve the labor of others. The world owes us nothing.
    Ideology does not equal reality, no matter what side of the spectrum you claim to represent....
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    They don't deserve the labor of others. The world owes us nothing.
    So, we just let them die in the streets? That's your position?

    How would you go about implementing this insane policy? Should medical professionals delay treatment until the patient's insurance status is verified?

    "Well, we COULD have saved Mr. Smith's life, but we had to wait until his insurance status was verified. Sadly, by the time we realized he did indeed have health insurance, he had already expired during the confirmation period."

    Yea, that sounds like a brilliant plan...
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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    First of all, i have no idea why people are so against this. Who gives a ****, seriously? If you have your own health care coverage, you will not have to pay a fine: Conversely, if you do not, you are most likely eligible for government sponsored coverage, AKA medicaid.

    I have major medical coverage that costs me less than $1,000/ year, paying for my own physicals etc... out of pocket. I am having trouble understanding how i will be "forced" to pay the so called "fine". For those of you who do not have insurance, and are outraged.... ugh.... why???? It makes very little sense, and i'll tell you why.

    If I am driving my vehicle without insurance, and something happens in which either myself is seriously injured, much less someone else, I am looking at some serious out of pocket expenditures. Yet for about $1,500/year, i can obtain $2 million worth of various liability in case i injure myself, others, and property. To tell you the truth, i will not drive 100ft down a road in a car that is not insured for me to do so.

    One month in ICU can cause an excess of $300k... therefore it makes no sense, IMHO, not to "hedge your bets".
    I believe the fear is that it will destroy or cripple the private industry. That this is a slippery slope to the government taking over the medical industry.
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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    For some reason i cannot see public health care "out competing" private health care on either cost or quality. This is America, we spend more on everything, including national defense, drugs, and health care.

    In the US, quality is somewhat relative to price.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    For some reason i cannot see public health care "out competing" private health care on either cost or quality. This is America, we spend more on everything, including national defense, drugs, and health care.

    In the US, quality is somewhat relative to price.
    It can't. That's why it will pass the cost on to everybody else- whether they are privately insured or not. It won't be long before the bill comes along imposing a fine upon everybody that declines government coverage, even those under a private policy.

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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by Bootsavich View Post
    It can't. That's why it will pass the cost on to everybody else- whether they are privately insured or not. It won't be long before the bill comes along imposing a fine upon everybody that declines government coverage, even those under a private policy.
    I don't know about that. Do you really think the losses in tax revenue would be worth it? The system needs money to function....
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Hey Mr. Libertarian, if your house catches fire, do you deserve to have the Fire Dept. put it out? If you are being beaten for holding such asshat opinions, do you deserve to have a policeman intervene? If you want to drive to town to attend a Tea Party, do you deserve a paved road? i could go on, and on and on, but Libertarians will continue to deny the need for infrastructure as they continue to use it.


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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by Polimaster View Post
    If the college student breaks their leg, or does anything similar, then they will get emergency treatment and the hospital can just write off any expenses. And before you say it I know the bill then gets sent to the tax payers because a hospital is non-profit (which is what allows them to write it off in the first place), but that is what universal health care is. A college student can get the treatment and not have to pay for the services.

    And generally a healthy college student will not suffer any serious injuries, GENERALLY, so why pay 12 thousand dollars over the course of a four year college for something that chances are you will not use, and do not need. I think a 40,000 dollar tuition is enough.



    Plus most all college sports players as well as most adult leagues have catostrpohic coverage for $40 a year.
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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Libertarians are for small government, not no government.


    I see we have your morning *FAIL* already.....
    Call it what you will, eliminating government programs like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the Departments of Education, Energy, Commerce, NASA, and many more, all of which is urged by Libertarians, may to you be "small government". To most of us, especially those who rely on these programs, they more resemble "no government".

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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Call it what you will, eliminating government programs like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the Departments of Education, Energy, Commerce, NASA, and many more, all of which is urged by Libertarians, may to you be "small government". To most of us, especially those who rely on these programs, they more resemble "no government".


    you rely on NASA?
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