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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I completely understand people that are truly less than fortunate enough to help themselves.

    Children that are born with downs syndrome and things similar to that have no problem with me. My grocery store has a nice woman who has downs syndrome and she is as functional as can be expected. I'd be proud to offer her help of the welfare kind.

    On the other hand I see people who are massively obese rolling around in motor powered chairs, paid for by government, which only exacerbates their condition. Toss them to the wolves.
    I see Down's syndrome workers quite a bit. They don't seem to have the idea that everybody else owes them a living. They need some supervision after work that parents, or group homes, provide, but they are good workers.
    And yet, so many mentally and physically fit among us want to be paid to do nothing.
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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    sounds like a recipe for mutliple hernias....
    I say render them for lard first...


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    I see Down's syndrome workers quite a bit. They don't seem to have the idea that everybody else owes them a living. They need some supervision after work that parents, or group homes, provide, but they are good workers.
    And yet, so many mentally and physically fit among us want to be paid to do nothing.
    On my way to work I pass by government subsidized apartment building.
    I usually see a few of massively obese auto chair riders making their way out of the building grounds, wearing sweat pants too small to cover their overhanging stomach flab that covers their privates. <shudders>

    It makes me sick knowing I have to go to work while they are drawing disability checks and getting free or near free rent, food and medical care.

    I've known several, real disabled people that don't ask for hand outs and try to make it own their own as best as possible.
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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    My dad was involved with that. If he was still alive, he would be 97 now.
    Seems to me there should be some kind of national service even when the economy is good.
    The way I see it, the reason such a program will have trouble today is that it forces some to admit there is a problem with our welfare programs- advocates would never allow a program to be put into place, as it would mean accepting that many welfare recipients are lazy, obese deadbeats with no intentions or desires to contribute towards their own well being or the good of society. Welfare state supporters want to deceive the public into believing that the vast majority of people on welfare are injured veterans, mentally disabled, or unable to work by circumstances beyond their control. While this may be true of some recipients, one would have to be intensely naive to believe this is the majority of recipients.

    Allowing a work based support system for the poor would force socialist politicians to admit that there is a huge problem with their system. It would be like asking Apple to sell Windows products in the Apple stores- why would they want to admit that their system isn't the solution for everybody? (Please refrain from Mac vs. PC arguments)

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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    sounds like a recipe for mutliple hernias....
    I say render them for lard first...


    Okay, you've won me over again...

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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    If you get sick or injured and you do not have health insurance there should be some repercussions - perhaps legal - for forcing others to subsidize your health care costs. Not sure that a $1,000 fine is the best idea, but I agree with it in principle. Refusing life-saving treatment to people is hardly an option, so we must incentivize people to purchase health insurance.

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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I'm one of those folks that believe Government, IS the problem... and since you back the Government... you're the problem.
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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    If you get sick or injured and you do not have health insurance there should be some repercussions - perhaps legal - for forcing others to subsidize your health care costs. Not sure that a $1,000 fine is the best idea, but I agree with it in principle. Refusing life-saving treatment to people is hardly an option, so we must incentivize people to purchase health insurance.
    I really don't understand how people call themselves libertarians and talk like this.

    Anyway, if you can't afford it, why do you deserve it? What right do you have to the labor of anyone else?

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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I really don't understand how people call themselves libertarians and talk like this.

    Anyway, if you can't afford it, why do you deserve it? What right do you have to the labor of anyone else?
    What do you mean? You both seem to be on the same page. There are tens of millions of people in this country who don't have health insurance. Most can afford it but just take a chance they won't need it. But if they get hurt or sick who pays for their medical care? The people paying every month pay for it.

    How much would our insurance bills be if 40 million more people suddenly started paying their fair share into the system?
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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I really don't understand how people call themselves libertarians and talk like this.

    Anyway, if you can't afford it, why do you deserve it? What right do you have to the labor of anyone else?
    We make people buy atuo insurance before letting them drive, but some break that law and drive anyway. Likewise, some refuse to buy health insurance but LIVE anyway. Problem is, they want health care on demand without having a paid up policy that pays for the health care, or adequate resources to pay for it.

    If adults won't pay for health insurance, we should let them die where the injury occurs. no sense wasting an ambulance trip on someone who WANTS to die.

    I assume you have adequate coverage?
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    Re: Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    The health care provision free market is strangled into submission by insurance companies.
    What free market?

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