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    Arizona Moves to Oppose Obama’s Expected Health Care Mandates

    CNSNews.com - Arizona Moves to Oppose Obama?s Expected Health Care Mandates

    Voters in Arizona will decide next year whether residents will be subject to mandates in the pending health care reform that President Barack Obama and congressional Democrats are promoting.
    Only the Arizona Legislature introduced an initiative (HCR2014), which if passed, would amend the state constitution to codify that no resident would be required to participate in any public health care option. Arizonans will vote on the initiative in November 2010.

    “HCR2014 is proactive and will protect patients’ fundamental rights,” Arizona State Rep. Nancy Barto, a Republican, said in a statement. “We are a front-line battle state to stop the momentum of this powerful government takeover of your health care decisions. Health care by lobbyists thwarts your rights and can be stopped here.”
    Arizona’s Health Care Freedom Act, firstly, establishes the right of state residents to spend their own money to seek and receive health care and, secondly, the right to choose not to participate in any health care system of any type.

    An advocacy group was started to campaign for the amendment.

    “Protecting the rights of individuals to be in control of their health and health care must be a fundamental component of health care reform, so the Arizona legislature is to be congratulated for giving all Americans the opportunity to make certain our voices are heard,” said Dr. Eric Novack, chairman of the group Arizonans for Health Care Reform.
    This is great legislation coming from Arizona.

    Other states should follow.
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    Re: Arizona Moves to Oppose Obama’s Expected Health Care Mandates

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
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    This is great legislation coming from Arizona.

    Other states should follow.

    It's too bad they can't do anything about the possibility of them taxing our income more cause we have health benefits through our employers.
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    Re: Arizona Moves to Oppose Obama’s Expected Health Care Mandates

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
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    This is great legislation coming from Arizona.

    Other states should follow.
    So if I opt out of the government plan how would that save me money. Are they going to give some of my tax money back or something? I doubt it.
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    Re: Arizona Moves to Oppose Obama’s Expected Health Care Mandates

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    So if I opt out of the government plan how would that save me money. Are they going to give some of my tax money back or something? I doubt it.
    That is true but this is a step in the right direction.

    I like the idea of states opposing federal mandates the have no legal justification in The Constitution.
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    Re: Arizona Moves to Oppose Obama’s Expected Health Care Mandates

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    So if I opt out of the government plan how would that save me money. Are they going to give some of my tax money back or something? I doubt it.
    I think this could keep our doctors here from being compelled to work for a government subsidize or national healthcare type situation?

    Idk really... cause you're right.
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    Re: Arizona Moves to Oppose Obama’s Expected Health Care Mandates

    I think it's joke to call Obama's plan Health care reform. It should be called Obama's Careless Health Plan of Deform.
    A quick review of Obama's own Statements will show you he wants to institute forced euthanasia, and that will lead directly to eugenics. For those who don't know what that is. It is a program based on improving the qualities of the humans as a whole and or the human population by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits. It also leads to the killing or the euthanasia of those born with any defect deemed to be unworthy of reproduction or leading a productive life as out lined by the Dictator in Chief.
    There are some things I loved about living in AZ for 17 of the last 19 years. Some of the people think. Napolitano was not one of them.
    I hope that (HCR2014) psses and starts a movement that speads nation wide when people wake to Obama's dream of destroying this country.
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    Re: Arizona Moves to Oppose Obama’s Expected Health Care Mandates

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I think it's joke to call Obama's plan Health care reform. It should be called Obama's Careless Health Plan of Deform.
    A quick review of Obama's own Statements will show you he wants to institute forced euthanasia, and that will lead directly to eugenics. For those who don't know what that is. It is a program based on improving the qualities of the humans as a whole and or the human population by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits. It also leads to the killing or the euthanasia of those born with any defect deemed to be unworthy of reproduction or leading a productive life as out lined by the Dictator in Chief.
    There are some things I loved about living in AZ for 17 of the last 19 years. Some of the people think. Napolitano was not one of them.
    I hope that (HCR2014) and starts a movement that speads nation wide when people wake to Obama's dream of destroying this country.
    Slippery slope much? Other than the first line of you post, everything you rambled on about is completely hypothetical. You choose to be outraged against the health care plan. Makes sense. I am pro reformed healthcare and I don't agree with all of Obama's tactics. You however are fear mongering and really only produced one semi-constructive thought (an opinion at that) Beyond that it's all hyper-partisan hyperbole.

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    Re: Arizona Moves to Oppose Obama’s Expected Health Care Mandates

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Lib View Post
    Slippery slope much? Other than the first line of you post, everything you rambled on about is completely hypothetical. You choose to be outraged against the health care plan. Makes sense. I am pro reformed healthcare and I don't agree with all of Obama's tactics. You however are fear mongering and really only produced one semi-constructive thought (an opinion at that) Beyond that it's all hyper-partisan hyperbole.
    I listen to what the Usurper in Chief Obama says and hear and understand it unlike his deciples who hear what they want. This health care plan will destroy any health care plan you now have because employers will stop providing it because the cost of the Obama Careless Health plan will effect the cost of doing business and create the same situation as is going on in Canada where you have to wait for treatment until it's too late. Look into how many Canadians cross the border too get descent treatment on a timely basis.
    And yes I heard the Euthanasia Advocate in Chief Obama say he wants older sick people to die rather than receive treatment. Fear monger. Not even close I have to hold back on what I know about the Kenyan in Chief Obama is trying to do so I don't get a visit from the SS.
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    Re: Arizona Moves to Oppose Obama’s Expected Health Care Mandates

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I listen to what the Usurper in Chief Obama says and hear and understand it unlike his deciples who hear what they want. This health care plan will destroy any health care plan you now have because employers will stop providing it because the cost of the Obama Careless Health plan will effect the cost of doing business and create the same situation as is going on in Canada where you have to wait for treatment until it's too late. Look into how many Canadians cross the border too get descent treatment on a timely basis.
    And yes I heard the Euthanasia Advocate in Chief Obama say he wants older sick people to die rather than receive treatment. Fear monger. Not even close I have to hold back on what I know about the Kenyan in Chief Obama is trying to do so I don't get a visit from the SS.
    Again, I read a couple of opinions scattered with hyperbole and pointless name calling "Kenyan in Chief", "Usurper in Chief" By attacking Obama with pointless name calling, you lose much of your credibility. Using such strong language just draws attention away from what you are actually trying to say. You believe that we will have the same situation as in Canada...Perhaps, perhaps not. You do, however, fail to mention that people in America also have been known to make trips to Canada from the states to receive pharmaceuticals that are unaffordable to them in their own country. I want to hear real reasons from you why this won't work (yes, your opinions included) not "Obama is trying to kill all our old people" then turn it into propaganda about how he will kill off all he doesn't find worthy. You are guilty of the slippery slope fallacy as well as ad hominem and others I'm sure.

    Feel free to give reasonable arguments, but don't spew off hatred and try to pass it off as fact.

    So there is no confusion, I will ask you a direct question to which I would appreciate a direct answer. If a socialized health care is not the plan, how do you propose we fix the current medical system. It is unarguably true that healthcare is becoming more and more expensive, and what appears to be the most common belief as to why is that the insurance companies are essentially controlling all the costs of healthcare. I want to know how you would handle this differently. How would you solve the problem? I want to hear nothing but your thoughts. You are assigned to this task...what do you do?

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    Re: Arizona Moves to Oppose Obama’s Expected Health Care Mandates

    Arizona is making a pointless gesture. When, not if, the Dems pass this craptastic "reform" and the people vote out of it, the Feds will STILL tax them, and probably challenge the state in court and/or tell them "Fine, you don't want this service, we're gonna end this service in your state".

    Obam and the liberals will not tolerate any state or people in a state to refuse their domination.
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