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    Defense Chief Giving Don't Ask Don't Tell a Closer Look

    Defense chief giving 'don't ask, don't tell' a closer look - CNN.com
    For the first time, U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates is outlining potential Obama administration plans to enforce the "don't ask, don't tell" rule selectively so that some gays could serve in the military.

    U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates says there may be flexibility in applying "don't ask, don't tell."

    Gates said he is looking at ways to make the policy "more humane," including letting people serve who may have been outed due to vengeance or a jilted lover. The remarks appeared in a transcript the Pentagon released Tuesday.

    In addition, Capt. John Kirby, spokesman for Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Wednesday the chairman "supports the idea of a less draconian way of enforcing the policy."
    Apparently, the Obama appointees believe that gays/lesbians are stupid, and don't realize that this is far short of what was promised.

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    Re: Defense Chief Giving Don't Ask Don't Tell a Closer Look

    I suspect a lot of "jilted lover's" might be sending in letters then.

    This half-assed crap is just pathetic. Obama is president, and the democrats might even get a filibuster proof majority in congress. There is no excuse to tiptoe around it other than cowardice or lying about wanting to get rid of the policy in the first place.

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    Re: Defense Chief Giving Don't Ask Don't Tell a Closer Look

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Apparently, the Obama appointees believe that gays/lesbians are stupid, and don't realize that this is far short of what was promised.
    What was promised?
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    Re: Defense Chief Giving Don't Ask Don't Tell a Closer Look

    Dismay over Obama's Turnabout on 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' - TIME

    When Barack Obama sought the presidency, he pledged to reverse the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy preventing gays and lesbians from serving openly in the U.S. military.

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    Re: Defense Chief Giving Don't Ask Don't Tell a Closer Look

    Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy - Political News - FOXNews.com

    Jan 15, 2009: WASHINGTON President-elect Barack Obama will allow gays to serve openly in the military by overturning the controversial "don't ask, don't tell" policy that marred President Clinton's first days in office, according to incoming White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs.
    Obama: I'll end don't-ask, don't-tell
    April 11, 2008: Barack Obama said he's confident he could end the "don't ask, don't tell" policy for gays in the military, but he won't make it a criteria for serving on the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

    "I would never make this a litmus test for the Joint Chiefs of Staff," Obama said during an interview with The Advocate, a gay publication.

    "What I want are members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who are making decisions based on what strengthens our military and what is going to make us safer, not ideology," he said.

    Obama said ending the policy, which was instituted during Bill Clinton's administration, is something he could "reasonably" get done if elected.

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    Re: Defense Chief Giving Don't Ask Don't Tell a Closer Look

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I suspect a lot of "jilted lover's" might be sending in letters then.

    This half-assed crap is just pathetic. Obama is president, and the democrats might even get a filibuster proof majority in congress. There is no excuse to tiptoe around it other than cowardice or lying about wanting to get rid of the policy in the first place.
    Agreed. It should be repealed, but they are afraid of a backlash.

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    Re: Defense Chief Giving Don't Ask Don't Tell a Closer Look

    Quote Originally Posted by Don't Tase Me Bro View Post
    Agreed. It should be repealed, but they are afraid of a backlash.

    I think they're going to get a backlash that they don't expect. And not just from "the gays."

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    Re: Defense Chief Giving Don't Ask Don't Tell a Closer Look

    This might have to do with not wanting to change policy in the midst of two wars. Thats about the only excuse I could think of. I know that its been argued that it shouldn't matter when they make the change, but I feel its at least a debatable point if right now is the time to do it.
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    Re: Defense Chief Giving Don't Ask Don't Tell a Closer Look

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    This might have to do with not wanting to change policy in the midst of two wars. Thats about the only excuse I could think of. I know that its been argued that it shouldn't matter when they make the change, but I feel its at least a debatable point if right now is the time to do it.
    Personally, I think that it's the perfect time to change the policy. We need all the help we can get and shouldn't really be turning people away because of something as silly as sexual orientation. If someone is willing to fight for their country, more power to them.

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    Re: Defense Chief Giving Don't Ask Don't Tell a Closer Look

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    This might have to do with not wanting to change policy in the midst of two wars. Thats about the only excuse I could think of. I know that its been argued that it shouldn't matter when they make the change, but I feel its at least a debatable point if right now is the time to do it.
    Since gay people are already serving in the military in some fair number, getting rid of the policy would only stop the military from losing people, with no real downside.

    As I understand Obama's position on this right now, he wants congress to get rid of DADT, not for him to do it by executive order. The reason being, if he does it, next president can just change it back, but if congress does it, it is almost certainly permanent. I am not sure I buy that excuse, but that is what it is.

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