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    Re: Part of railway to be nationalized

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    The private sector does it better because it has an incentive to be efficient and live within its means. With a government program, if they fail, they get more money, so there's actually an incentive to run a bad company. This is why private companies are better than government at running businesses.
    Well the Brittish experience with privitised railways would surgest that railways are an exception. Spend a week using our railways, then spend a week using the railways in France and Spain and im sure you'll see why

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    Re: Part of railway to be nationalized

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Well the Brittish experience with privitised railways would surgest that railways are an exception. Spend a week using our railways, then spend a week using the railways in France and Spain and im sure you'll see why
    What was the British experience with it?

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    Re: Part of railway to be nationalized

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    What was the British experience with it?
    They are pretty much delayed by default. Which is rarely the case in France and Spain. My Spanish teacher was saying a while back that in Spain the trains run on time "because we never had a Margaret Thatcher". Ask anyone whos used both systems and i guarante they will say the same thing

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    Re: Part of railway to be nationalized

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    They are pretty much delayed by default. Which is rarely the case in France and Spain. My Spanish teacher was saying a while back that in Spain the trains run on time "because we never had a Margaret Thatcher". Ask anyone whos used both systems and i guarante they will say the same thing
    How did the privatization system work? Was there only one company in charge of it all or did certain companies get certain lines?

    How did the operating cost compare?

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    Re: Part of railway to be nationalized

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    How did the privatization system work? Was there only one company in charge of it all or did certain companies get certain lines?

    How did the operating cost compare?
    Multiple companies which is pretty much why things went down the ****ter,though surely giving one company a monopoly wouldnt be that different from nationalisation?

    The nationalised system certainly swallowed up alot of money but i wouldnt have a problem with that today provided it meant getting people out of cars, planes etc.

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    Re: Part of railway to be nationalized

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    They are pretty much delayed by default. Which is rarely the case in France and Spain. My Spanish teacher was saying a while back that in Spain the trains run on time "because we never had a Margaret Thatcher". Ask anyone whos used both systems and i guarante they will say the same thing
    Which European country has the most successful railway system?

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    Re: Part of railway to be nationalized

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Multiple companies which is pretty much why things went down the ****ter,though surely giving one company a monopoly wouldnt be that different from nationalisation?
    Nope, in fact I think it would be like the saying "same ****, different asshole."

    The nationalised system certainly swallowed up alot of money but i wouldnt have a problem with that today provided it meant getting people out of cars, planes etc.
    So the free market system was cheaper to operate?

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    Re: Part of railway to be nationalized

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Also lets not forget, rail is by far the cheapest way to transport goods from city to city, something America needs to learn.
    I see you dont know a lot about the US transportation industry.

    The veracity of your claim depends entirely on the cities. Cleveland to Pittsburg, truckload is cheaper. Cleveland to LA, rail is cheaper. The breaking point is about 1100 miles, and presumes that rail service is available.

    Oh, and water transportation is the cheapest way to go, assuming that the cities in question have ports. $6/ton will get you a 2.5 day trip from from Superior WI to Detroit MI, rate untouchable by any other mode of transportaion.

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    Re: Part of railway to be nationalized

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Nope, in fact I think it would be like the saying "same ****, different asshole."



    So the free market system was cheaper to operate?
    Im not sure how the cost compare [nor do i know which european system is the most succesful] but although these companies arent running at a loss like the nationalised system they still swallow up quite alot of subsidy money. Which is odd as ticket prices are rising rapidly, so we,re paying them to charge us more

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    Re: Part of railway to be nationalized

    Quote Originally Posted by Polimaster View Post
    It is called free market, if you want a cheap train, go start and cheap train company and charge low prices, you competition will lower theirs.

    Genius! Because a train company wouldn't have massive start-up costs and doesn't require lots of infrastructure, so it would be really easy to do, in fact after reading your post I've decided to set-up my very own train company!

    Soon I will have solved all of Britain's problems and I'll be a millionaire!

    Also competition will actually keep prices lower, because there is not one power (the government) that controls the price and cannot be challenged.
    You have really thought this through haven't you!

    I think the space industry should also be given up to the private sector. They would accomplish the same stuff faster and cheaper. If there was competition it would not cost sixty trillion dollars to put a bottle of water in orbit.
    Why not privatise roads and the army while we're at it? I'm sure they would become faster and cheaper too!
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