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    Re: Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

    Quote Originally Posted by hiswoman View Post
    Trust me. I fully understand your frustration . No drug is without risk. None. People need to pay attention and take responsibility for their health and well being. I'm saying it isn't the government's place to protect us like we're all a bunch of toddlers running around.
    Thank you, you are pretty much the only person in this entire thread whom I believe understands what I'm talking about and can actually have a disagreeing opinion without saying I'm just totally wrong and that I must be living on mars because haven't you heard just how amazingly safe acetaminophen is *posts 20 pages of sources in medical journals that i'd only be able to view the abstract for maybe 10% of the sources without paying*

    and yeah your attitude did suck earlier
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    Re: Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

    Look. I did my own research on this. Acetaminophen can certainly be dangerous and it's therapeutic index is close to it's toxicity level. Liver toxicity is certainly a possibility and does happen in some cases. According to the research I read, there were 450 deaths from acetaminophen overdoes, last year. This includes both accidental and intentional. Consider that there were 22,500 intentional and accidental drug overdoses from all prescription drugs during that year, and you can see that acetaminophen accounts for only 2% of these deaths (sedatives like Valium account for 7%, while opioids on their own account for 39%). This does not negate the potential danger of acetaminophen, but it does need to be put into perspective. Also to be considered, is the fact that acetaminophen is far safer in many ways to aspirin and ibuprofen in regards to all GI issues, kidney issues, and has a lack of problem with drug interactions. All these things show that acetaminophen has risks, but is comparatively, is relatively safe.

    Also, as far as overdoses go, I've seen more than 100 patients of mine attempt to overdoes on Tylenol over the past 20 years, folks having taken as much as 10 times the recommended dose. No deaths and no liver toxicity in all of those times. Though I see the risks, evidence-wise, observationally, I have no seen the same outcomes.

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    Re: Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    There are actual medical reasons for using acetaminophen in conjunction with those drugs other than to deter abuse.
    Any you know this how?

    Do you have a medical degree?

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    Re: Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

    It's a wonder I'm alive at all!

    Gotta talk to my doctor.

    Hydrocodone is just generic Vicodine.
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    Re: Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    The whole goddamn point is that it's very to take too much without realizing it and by the time you know it's too late. It's the leading cause of liver damage. It's not nearly as safe as you're making it out to be.
    Nor is it as dangerous as you're making it out to be, doctor.

    And by the way you're dreaming if you think I'm going to take the time to read your sources.
    The sad part is that I already knew that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Any you know this how?

    Do you have a medical degree?
    I asked someone who does.

    Also, I'm not a retard and thus I can read teh google and find out facts.

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    It's a wonder I'm alive at all!

    Gotta talk to my doctor.

    Hydrocodone is just generic Vicodine.
    No it's not.

    Hydrocodone = hydrocodone
    Vicodin = hydrocodone + acetaminophen
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    Re: Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    So because some people abuse something, the best solution is to deny the benefits of that drug to all those who use it responsibly and instead to just give everyone a more potent version of the drug with an even greater potential for abuse?
    Exactly. I've been taking vicodin for years.....and I'm still alive.

    Sometimes I go a couple of months without taking one......other times I take a half or whole pill every day for a week or two.....just depends on my pain level.

    Thanks for posting this. I had no idea.


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    Re: Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Nor is it as dangerous as you're making it out to be, doctor.
    Take 10 grams of acetaminophen and post a trip report.

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    Re: Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    Take 10 grams of acetaminophen and post a trip report.
    I'm not a dumb****, so I'll have to pass. Thanks for the offer though.
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    Re: Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I'm not a dumb****, so I'll have to pass. Thanks for the offer though.
    Anytime man anytime

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