Page 5 of 11 FirstFirst ... 34567 ... LastLast
Results 41 to 50 of 105

Thread: Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

  1. #41
    Traditional
    hiswoman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Cypress, TX
    Last Seen
    04-04-13 @ 05:01 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    3,051
    Blog Entries
    10

    Re: Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    The point is that acetaminophen's added benefits combined with opiates do not outweigh the possible dangers. People have died from liver failure induced by acetaminophen at only twice the recommended dose. If you take twice or even three times the recommended dose for vicodin you'll be loopy and messed up and maybe even unconscious, but your liver be destroyed by it. Why do you think so many more people die from acetaminophen every than opiates?
    You are correct. The potential side effects and dangers of acetaminophen are NOT to be ignored, and the risk is elevated the higher the single dosage taken. The maximum recommended dose of acetaminophen is 1000 mg. (1 gram) for adults and a maximum of 4000 mg. (4 grams) per day in the absence of contraindications such as hepatic failure/impairment (i.e. cirrhosis, the elderly, etc). However, one shouldn't take more than 2000 mg. (2 grams) per day without first talking to their physician. In addition, avoiding alcohol whilst taking acetaminophen is highly advisable, as it increases the chance of hepatotoxicity. I am aware of the dangers of overdosing on acetaminophen. I've taken care of people who have attempted to commit suicide by taking overdoses of the stuff. As for the deaths that occur from overdoses of acetaminophen, the reason is simple. People do not pay attention to what they're taking and don't take the time to read the labels of other drugs they may be taking in conjunction with a medication like Vicodin. People need to pay attention and ask questions, even if it seems like a minor question. You can't be too careful when it comes to your health.

    ~edited for spelling~
    Last edited by hiswoman; 07-01-09 at 04:19 AM.

  2. #42
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Last Seen
    07-27-09 @ 08:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    740

    Re: Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    2 grams =/= 10 grams.
    You know years ago a good friend of mine died from liver failure from only taking two doses. So I guess you're asking me to either trust some anonymous internet source you didn't link to or to trust my own life experience. Seriously, do more research on this, the drug isn't as safe as you think it is. Some people are just more sensitive to it and can actually be seriously injured even by taking the recommended dose.

  3. #43
    Advisor wbreese91's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Marietta, Ohio
    Last Seen
    07-08-10 @ 10:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    407

    Re: Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    You know years ago a good friend of mine died from liver failure from only taking two doses. So I guess you're asking me to either trust some anonymous internet source you didn't link to or to trust my own life experience. Seriously, do more research on this, the drug isn't as safe as you think it is. Some people are just more sensitive to it and can actually be seriously injured even by taking the recommended dose.
    Ok, so docters need to start with small doses and then work up to larger ones to make sure someone isn't too sensitive to the drug. This is not a reason to ban it.
    “Justitia suum cuique distribuit” Justice renders to every one his due

    - Cicero

  4. #44
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Last Seen
    07-27-09 @ 08:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    740

    Re: Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

    Quote Originally Posted by hiswoman View Post
    You are correct. The potential side effects and dangers of acetaminophen are NOT to be ignored, and the risk is elevated the higher the single dosage taken. The maximum recommended dose of acetaminophen is 1000 mg. (1 gram) for adults and a maximum of 4000 mg. (4 grams) per day in the absence of contraindications such as hepatic failure/impairment (i.e. cirrhosis, the elderly, etc). However, one shouldn't take more than 2000 mg. (2 grams) per day without first talking to their physician. In addition, avoiding alcohol whilst taking acetaminophen is highly advisable, as it increases the change of hepatotoxicity. I am aware of the dangers of overdosing on acetaminophen. I've taken care of people who have attempted to commit suicide by taking overdoses of the stuff. As for the deaths that occur from overdoses of acetaminophen, the reason is simple. People do not pay attention to what they're taking and don't take the time to read the labels of other drugs they may be taking in conjunction with a medication like Vicodin. People need to pay attention and ask questions, even if it seems like a minor question. You can't be too careful when it comes to your health.
    You know, I agree with this, and I just wish other people on this forum would actually articulate themselves like this instead of acting like buffoons. That's all I can say about that.

  5. #45
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Last Seen
    07-27-09 @ 08:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    740

    Re: Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    Ok, so docters need to start with small doses and then work up to larger ones to make sure someone isn't too sensitive to the drug. This is not a reason to ban it.
    I don't think there should be a federal ban on manufacturers.

  6. #46
    Girthless
    RightinNYC's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    New York, NY
    Last Seen
    01-23-11 @ 11:56 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    25,894

    Re: Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    You know years ago a good friend of mine died from liver failure from only taking two doses. So I guess you're asking me to either trust some anonymous internet source you didn't link to or to trust my own life experience.
    I've linked to it 3 times already, but here:

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracetamol_toxicity]Paracetamol toxicity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    And here are the studies:

    # ^ a b c Dart RC, Erdman AR, Olson KR, Christianson G, Manoguerra AS, Chyka PA, Caravati EM, Wax PM, Keyes DC, Woolf AD, Scharman EJ, Booze LL, Troutman WG; American Association of Poison Control Centers (2006). "Acetaminophen poisoning: an evidence-based consensus guideline for out-of-hospital management". Clinical toxicology (Philadelphia, Pa.) 44 (1): 1–18. PMID 16496488.
    # ^ a b c d e f g h i j k l m Daly FF, Fountain JS, Murray L, Graudins A, Buckley NA (March 2008). "Guidelines for the management of paracetamol poisoning in Australia and New Zealand—explanation and elaboration. A consensus statement from clinical toxicologists consulting to the Australasian poisons information centres". The Medical journal of Australia 188 (5): 296–301. PMID 18312195. eMJA: Guidelines for the management of paracetamol poisoning in Australia and New Zealand — explanation and elaboration.
    # ^ Watkins PB, Kaplowitz N, Slattery JT, et al. (July 2006). "Aminotransferase elevations in healthy adults receiving 4 grams of acetaminophen daily: a randomized controlled trial". JAMA : the journal of the American Medical Association 296 (1): 87–93. doi:10.1001/jama.296.1.87. PMID 16820551.
    # ^ Dart RC, Bailey E (2007). "Does therapeutic use of acetaminophen cause acute liver failure?". Pharmacotherapy 27 (9): 1219–30. doi:10.1592/phco.27.9.1219. PMID 17723075.
    # ^ Daly FF, O'Malley GF, Heard K, Bogdan GM, Dart RC (October 2004). "Prospective evaluation of repeated supratherapeutic acetaminophen (paracetamol) ingestion". Annals of emergency medicine 44 (4): 393–8. doi:10.1016/j.annemergmed.2004.05.005. PMID 15459622.
    # ^ Tenenbein M (2004). "Acetaminophen: the 150 mg/kg myth". Journal of toxicology. Clinical toxicology 42 (2): 145–8. doi:10.1081/CLT-120030939. PMID 15214618.
    The fact that you're willing to take your one anecdotal experience over things like "facts" and "studies" says it all.

    Seriously, do more research on this, the drug isn't as safe as you think it is. Some people are just more sensitive to it and can actually be seriously injured even by taking the recommended dose.
    I think that acetaminophen, like all drugs, is bad in excess and can in some cases be bad in normal doses. I've seen absolutely nothing to indicate that if used responsibly, it would be any more dangerous than any other drug that is used responsibly.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

  7. #47
    Sage
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Last Seen
    08-27-09 @ 08:41 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    6,344

    Re: Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    You know years ago a good friend of mine died from liver failure from only taking two doses. So I guess you're asking me to either trust some anonymous internet source you didn't link to or to trust my own life experience. Seriously, do more research on this, the drug isn't as safe as you think it is. Some people are just more sensitive to it and can actually be seriously injured even by taking the recommended dose.
    Some people are allergic to aspirin.

    Some people are allergic to penicillin.

    Your friend's death is of course a tragedy. However, one person's adverse (and fatal) reaction to a medication does not alter the medication's risk profile significantly.

    For the great majority of people, acetaminophen is a reasonably safe analgesic.

    Everyone should be aware of the potential for adverse reactions to any medication; that is not the same as saying that every medication is likely to kill you.

  8. #48
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Last Seen
    07-27-09 @ 08:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    740

    Re: Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I think that acetaminophen, like all drugs, is bad in excess and can in some cases be bad in normal doses. I've seen absolutely nothing to indicate that if used responsibly, it would be any more dangerous than any other drug that is used responsibly.
    The whole goddamn point is that it's very to take too much without realizing it and by the time you know it's too late. It's the leading cause of liver damage. It's not nearly as safe as you're making it out to be.

    And by the way you're dreaming if you think I'm going to take the time to read your sources.

  9. #49
    Traditional
    hiswoman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Cypress, TX
    Last Seen
    04-04-13 @ 05:01 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    3,051
    Blog Entries
    10

    Re: Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    You know years ago a good friend of mine died from liver failure from only taking two doses. So I guess you're asking me to either trust some anonymous internet source you didn't link to or to trust my own life experience. Seriously, do more research on this, the drug isn't as safe as you think it is. Some people are just more sensitive to it and can actually be seriously injured even by taking the recommended dose.
    Did you know your friend's entire medical history? Hold old was he/she? Did he/she drink alcohol? Possibly have Hepatitis (which may or may not have been disclosed to you)? Any other metabolic issues? What other medications was he/she taking at the time? Did you witness exactly how much medication he/she took over that period of time? For that matter, did you witness every single medication taken by him/her during that time? There are any number of factors involved for each person. People's reactions can vary greatly even if they're taking the same identical medication. Doubling up on any medication is foolhardy, unless under your physician's supervision. The label warnings are there for a reason.

    edited: As CL mentioned, allergic reactions are also a possibility any time you take a medication.

    P.S. My condolences on the loss of your friend.
    Last edited by hiswoman; 07-01-09 at 04:17 AM.

  10. #50
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Last Seen
    07-27-09 @ 08:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    740

    Re: Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    For the great majority of people, acetaminophen is a reasonably safe analgesic.
    Oh yeah, it's the leading cause of liver damage, but it's reasonably safe. I remember all the education in school about how alcohol will destroy our livers, I don't remember the education in school warning us of the dangers of acetaminophen.

Page 5 of 11 FirstFirst ... 34567 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •