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    Re: Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    It's more effective at reducing fevers than it is for pain. Next time you suffer a serious injury take some tylenol and let me know how much better you feel and how completely manageable the pain is. It's really meant for minor pain, opiates are not meant for minor pain, so I'm not really seeing why you guys seem to think it's so necessary. You know opiates are addictive too, if a person can get a good source for it and dont know how to remove the acetaminophen then they can really do some serious damage to their liver over time.
    In your enthusiasm for being contentious and argumentative, you are overlooking the synergestic effects observed when opiates such as hydrocodone are mixed with acetaminophen (Vicodin). Taken together they are more effective at lower doses than hydrocodone alone.

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    Re: Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Is that your professional medical opinion?
    Yeah, when I prescribe opiate pain killers I always make it either contains ibuprofen if they need additional short term help for pain management or no other analgesic. Acetaminophen only has a minimal role the treatments that I prescribe.

    Have you?
    Yes actually, you?

    You don't seem to understand how it's designed to work in conjunction with the opiates.
    I do understand, I just do not feel the small benefits are necessarily worth the added risk in the event that the medication IS abused.

    Right, as opposed to the opiates themselves, which have absolutely no side effects or risk of damage.
    They are far safer than acetaminophen.

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    Re: Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    In your enthusiasm for being contentious and argumentative, you are overlooking the synergestic effects observed when opiates such as hydrocodone are mixed with acetaminophen (Vicodin). Taken together they are more effective at lower doses than hydrocodone alone.
    Hey guys it's a really dangerous drug that kills thousands every year but lets go ahead and give it praise because it's such an awesome drug for very minor aches and pains.

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    Re: Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

    Quote Originally Posted by hiswoman View Post
    That is an option. However, as I mentioned, acetaminophen boosts the efficacy of opioid analgesics. If you're taking the opioid analgesic alone and it's not working, what do you think the next step is? People will end up adding OTC meds such as acetaminophen or ibuprofen themselves or they will call their doctor and ask for something stronger.
    What, are you crazy? You think people would actually mix drugs without their doctor's advice in order to achieve a desired feeling?

    Pshhh, everyone knows that nobody would ever dream of mixing vicodin or percocet with other drugs such as alcohol or marijuana in order to feel a particular way. That's just crazy talk.
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    Re: Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

    It would be interesting to see the make up of the whole panel and find out if any have any ties to drug companies that might benefit from such a ban. The negative effects of the over use of are well documented and have been know for a very long time. I'm curious why now and who has to gain that is in a position to effect the outcome,
    An out right ban may not come as came out in this story.

    FDA Advisers Urge Smaller Doses of Acetaminophen

    FDA Advisers Urge Smaller Doses of Acetaminophen - US News and World Report

    U.S. health advisers recommended Tuesday to lower the maximum dose of over-the-counter acetaminophen -- the key ingredient in Tylenol, Excedrin and many other pain-killing medications.

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    Having been prescribed most if not all of the drugs mentioned I have to say that the most dangerous I have seen is oxycodone I had to stop using it for third degree burns because it made it had to impossible to function and driving was out of the question. I can see how people can get hooked on it.

    As for Acetaminophen when used as directed by the label it seems safe enough.

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    Re: Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    What, are you crazy? You think people would actually mix drugs without their doctor's advice in order to achieve a desired feeling?

    Pshhh, everyone knows that nobody would ever dream of mixing vicodin or percocet with other drugs such as alcohol or marijuana in order to feel a particular way. That's just crazy talk.
    Which is precisely why it's such a bad drug to add to opiates. People WILL abuse the drugs and acetaminophen can be very unforgiving when taken in doses as small as two grams. That's only TWICE dosage recommended.

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    Re: Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    Jesus christ, what is it with you people. Where did I say it was marketed for severe pain? You guys seriously know jack **** about pharmacology and it's almost like you want to argue even if you're not really arguing about anything at all.
    Whatever you say, Dr. Peeps

    You are the one who made reference to a serious injury.

    Ladies & Gentlemen of the Jury, I give you People's Exhibit A:

    Originally Posted by Liz Peeps
    It's more effective at reducing fevers than it is for pain. Next time you suffer a serious injury take some tylenol and let me know how much better you feel and how completely manageable the pain is.
    When you make reference to a "serious injury", that would imply a "severe" level of pain, as severe pain is often associated with "serious injuries"

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    Re: Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    What, are you crazy? You think people would actually mix drugs without their doctor's advice in order to achieve a desired feeling?

    Pshhh, everyone knows that nobody would ever dream of mixing vicodin or percocet with other drugs such as alcohol or marijuana in order to feel a particular way. That's just crazy talk.
    I know. What are the odds, right?

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    Re: Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    Yeah, when I prescribe opiate pain killers I always make it either contains ibuprofen if they need additional short term help for pain management or no other analgesic. Acetaminophen only has a minimal role the treatments that I prescribe.

    Yes actually, you?
    For some reason I have a difficult time believing that you're a physician.

    I do understand, I just do not feel the small benefits are necessarily worth the added risk in the event that the medication IS abused.
    Based on...?

    They are far safer than acetaminophen.

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    Re: Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers

    Quote Originally Posted by hiswoman View Post
    Whatever you say, Dr. Peeps

    You are the one who made reference to a serious injury.

    Ladies & Gentlemen of the Jury, I give you People's Exhibit A:



    When you make reference to a "serious injury", that would imply a "severe" level of pain, as severe pain is often associated with "serious injuries"
    The point is that acetaminophen's added benefits combined with opiates do not outweigh the possible dangers. People have died from liver failure induced by acetaminophen at only twice the recommended dose. If you take twice or even three times the recommended dose for vicodin you'll be loopy and messed up and maybe even unconscious, but your liver be destroyed by it. Why do you think so many more people die from acetaminophen every than opiates?

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