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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I never said anything about a gay soldier making a pass at a straight soldier. You need to join Redress and go back and re-read my posts.

    BTW, what makes everyone think that we're only talking about gay male soldiers?

    You folks are making alotta false assumptions. Perhaps you should fall back and regroup?


    Oh, so that was a different apdst who said this? :

    "What if a gay soldier makes a pass at a straight soldier in the latrine? Sexual harrassment? Intent to rape?

    That's not sensationalism. That's reality"


    I must have had the two of you confused.
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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Show us one case of males and females being forced to share open bay showers. i.e showering together.
    Where did I say "forced"?

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I never said anything about a gay soldier making a pass at a straight soldier. You need to join Redress and go back and re-read my posts.

    BTW, what makes everyone think that we're only talking about gay male soldiers?

    You folks are making alotta false assumptions. Perhaps you should fall back and regroup?
    Wait...so this wasn't the first point you tried to raise?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    http://www.first.army.mil/eo/pdf/arm...exual_harr.pdf

    Welcome to the world of straight male soldiers reporting cases of sexual harrassment. The sexual harrassment rate in the military is going to go through the roof.
    One can only assume if we're talking about homos in the military and you raise the issue of straight male soldiers charging sexual harassment, it's gotta be by a gay male soldier. I don't think lesbians are really known for making unwanted advancements on men...

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Actually, I never said that I thought you were homophobic.
    Oh, that's exactly what you said. Let me quote you:

    I love how some insecure straight men assume that gay men are just automatically attracted to anything with a penis.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Where did I say "forced"?
    It seems that he's rather good at making counter points to things that people didn't even say in the first place.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oh, that's exactly what you said. Let me quote you:
    I know what I typed. Please show me where in that quote I singled you out and said that you were homophobic. I'll wait.

    In fact, show me anywhere in any quote I've made in this thread so far where I've accused anyone of being homophobic.
    Last edited by Dr_Patrick; 07-01-09 at 02:07 AM.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Wait...so this wasn't the first point you tried to raise?

    Actually, it's not. You took that one comment and ran with it, making that assumption yourself. Not long after that, I posted an article that proves sexual harrassment took place after DADT was put into affect. It was an article about a gay male soldier being assaulted by other men in his unit.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're absolutely right. This is the breakdown in discipline that concerns me. I shudder think of soldiers getting killed for a political agenda, or a social experiment.
    You have shown no evidence that this would happen in anything other than isolated incidents. NJP was designed for situations like the one you linked to.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm concerend about there being a break down in discipline. That will cause soldiers to lose their lives. I find it awfully easy for those who aren't currently on duty to not worry about that.
    How exactly would this cause discipline to break down? The fear of another dude checking out your junk causes you to go Gomer Pyle on him?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst
    Read AR 600-20, Chapter 7, Pg. 65 and educate yourselves as to the broad definition of sexual harrassment in the military. Enjoy.
    OK, I just did. There is nothing even remotely comparable to opening a door for someone. If you're going to make **** up, you're probably better off not directing me to the very document that proves you're making **** up.
    http://www.sexualassault.army.mil/fi...0_chapter7.pdf
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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Show us one case of males and females being forced to share open bay showers. i.e showering together.
    I shared open bay showers in basic training (BT) with other men, they did not care. We were in BT to serve our country, not service each other. We were in the showers to get clean, nothing else. There was not a single time anyone expressed any problem with me. As a matter of fact, they all came to me for advice in BT because I was the only one who passed our first inspection.

    Being gay was not an issue because I earned their respect for the reason I was there.... to serve my country and be serious about it.
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