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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Who said soldiers can't complain?
    It's been stated in this thread numerous times. It's even been claimed by you.

    It's been said here

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Now allow me to introduce a novel concept to YOU. The army is NOT a free society. You have rules all over the place and one of them is about to be that YOU don't get to decide who YOU serve beside. When the POTUS, aka commander in chief, decides that DADT is a stupid and backwards policy not worthy of any great nation, YOU will suck it up and deal with it or YOU won't be serving at all.

    How you like them apples?
    And here

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Exactly. A platoon does not get to vote whether they want Jews, blacks, Indians, Muslims, or Scientologists in their midst. Soldiers give up those bigotries and prejudices when they put on the uniform and swear an oath to their country. Those who refuse to get along are tossed out.

    The bigots didn't like them apples. They've gotten over it.

    They'll get over gays soon enough.

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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    And nothing in that entire document indicates a "right" to change billeting based on "comfort" of the soldier.

    Just as I thought.

    If a female is forced to share billets with a male soldier, she can petition a complaint to Congress to address that grevience. The same can happen with straight and gay soldiers who are uncomfortable, or feel intimidated with their billeting. It's commons sense kinda stuff.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If a female is forced to share billets with a male soldier, she can petition a complaint to Congress to address that grevience. The same can happen with straight and gay soldiers who are uncomfortable, or feel intimidated with their billeting. It's commons sense kinda stuff.
    No one here is talking about men and women sharing billets except you.

    Now where in that document does it say there is a right to change one's billeting based on "comfort"?

    I'm waiting.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If a female is forced to share billets with a male soldier, she can petition a complaint to Congress to address that grevience. The same can happen with straight and gay soldiers who are uncomfortable, or feel intimidated with their billeting. It's commons sense kinda stuff.
    Yeah, they can complain. Just like I can complain about anything I want to my congressman.

    First off, no one said they couldn't. Secondly, doesn't the fact that they can completely nullify your 'argument'?

    Where is the problem here?

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No one here is talking about men and women sharing billets except you.

    Now where in that document does it say there is a right to change one's billeting based on "comfort"?

    I'm waiting.
    I use it as an example of how gays and straights can't be forced to share billets.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Yeah, they can complain. Just like I can complain about anything I want to my congressman.

    First off, no one said they couldn't. Secondly, doesn't the fact that they can completely nullify your 'argument'?

    Where is the problem here?
    You're mistaken. It's been stated several times that soldiers have to just, "suck it up", and have zero say so about their situation. "It's not a democracy", has been the term used most, I think.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    When I was in, I was more interested in how well a person put lead down range than which d00ds where checking out the Good Reverend's awesomeness....
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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I use it as an example of how gays and straights can't be forced to share billets.
    So then, there is no right to change billeting based on comfort? Just like I thought.

    Look, bro, you presented a completely separate argument about men and women showering or sharing billets and then proceeded to tear that argument down. Well newsflash: we aren't talking about men and women sharing showers or billets. We're talking about homos serving their country. So you've really presented nothing at all in terms of relevance.

    Come back when you got something. Until then, I intend to fully relish the deer in the headlights reaction you have to the realization that homos are about to be another step closer to being completely equal to you in every way.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    When I was in, I was more interested in how well a person put lead down range than which d00ds where checking out the Good Reverend's awesomeness....
    I was more interested in soldiers being able to shoot, move and communicate as a cohesive unit. Firepower is only a part of a unit's combat power. Without unit integrity, all that firepower is wasted, the enemy will out maneuver you and kill you.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    So then, there is no right to change billeting based on comfort? Just like I thought.
    yes, there is. If a soldier is made to feel uncomfortable due to sexual harrassment, then they have the right to complain, regardless of his, or her sexual preferrence. I've seen soldiers get written up for running around the barracks nekkid, after their fellow soldiers compalined about it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    I wonder if they're going put the same job restictions on gays that they have on females: no combat arms, no submarines, etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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