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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by LowRevs View Post
    As the thread degenerates into short sentences of derisive commentary let me just add this. All of us in the military have a lot of rules about what we can say to whom about sexuality. No-one but the homos want to be able to run around saying "I'm a homo". All we're asking is that they abide the same sexual harassment rules as everyone else!
    I agree with this part. If they're sexually harassing people, by all means punish them.

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    For instance if a male hetero is walking around saying "I'm a hetero" over and over again in the womens barracks, he will be pounding the pavement looking for a new job. If he says to a fellow male soldier "You're a homo", or even, "Are you a homo?", he could suffer the same fate. Just shut up! Is that too much to ask.
    I disagree with this. It's not so much walking around saying "I'm a homo" over and over again. But heterosexuals are free to talk about their girlfriends with their buddies without anyone raising a stink about it; their girlfriends can visit them, and they can kiss their girlfriends in front of their buddies without losing their jobs. Why shouldn't homosexuals be able to have the same freedom?
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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Sneam View Post
    Once, white soldiers made a lot of noises about having to shower with black soldiers. Now, military culture expects you to learn to deal with people of other races. If you have racist tenancies, it is expected that you will keep them to yourself and if you fail at this, you have failed to adapt. Oddly, this works better these days then claiming to be insane or drug use if you want out of the military.

    Sexual assault and harassment are large issues in military culture. You cannot make it through a year of service without many mandatory briefings on the subject. For the most part these briefings are a joke. Such events still happen in giant numbers. I can lay a very personnel testimony to this a a medic - I have seen more rape kits get used then you frankly want to know about. I have also seen most of them swept under the rug, and known of a lot more that have gone unreported.

    Someone always knows. Bases in theater are a small place; if it happens, it happens because it is permitted.

    In case you are missing it, I am talking about heterosexual rape by one soldier of another soldier in a WAR ZONE.

    I have seen one homosexual rape come through my doors. I am a little lost as to why one is any more ugly then the other. Maybe the issue is rape and what ever is wrong with military culture that makes it permissible, regardless of regulation and mandatory awareness programs.

    If nothing else, it goes to show that an armed society is not necessarily a polite society. Ever read about a soldier finding their rapist later and shooting them with the firearm and ammo we are all required to have over there?

    Speaking as a heterosexual soldier who has served with and even showered with "gay" soldiers, I think people who spend a lot of time thinking about this subject are a bunch of closet cases. Please find a more important issue then imagining being uncomfortable in a shower because "gays might be there". I promise, if you have ever showered in a public shower "gays were there", and no regulations are going to change this.

    Look, what is more important, that someone is ON YOUR SIDE and OTHER PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO KILL YOU or your prejudice?

    Darwin says suck up your prejudice and worry about the mission. If you can't do that, I would prefer you stay home. Failing that, please tell me so I can do my best to make sure you are as far from me as possible.
    Whatever...the below quote ended whatever argument you where trying to use blacks for in regards to this issue.


    If you have racist tenancies, it is expected that you will keep them to yourself and if you fail at this, you have failed to adapt

    "If you have homosexual tendencies, it is expected that you will keep them to yourself and if you fail at this, you have failed to adapt"
    (Don't Ask-Don't Tell)


    This guy not only failed to adapt he went out of his way to become an activist.

    Most likely his discharge will be 'Under Other Than Honorable Conditions'. If he's unlucky it will be a Dishonorable.
    He threw out his honorable chances by dishonoring the uniform he wore.
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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by LowRevs View Post
    As the thread degenerates into short sentences of derisive commentary let me just add this. All of us in the military have a lot of rules about what we can say to whom about sexuality. No-one but the homos want to be able to run around saying "I'm a homo". All we're asking is that they abide the same sexual harassment rules as everyone else! For instance if a male hetero is walking around saying "I'm a hetero" over and over again in the womens barracks, he will be pounding the pavement looking for a new job. If he says to a fellow male soldier "You're a homo", or even, "Are you a homo?", he could suffer the same fate. Just shut up! Is that too much to ask.
    It's exactly this kind of bigotry and idiocy that needs to be eradicated from our military.


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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    "If you have homosexual tendencies, it is expected that you will keep them to yourself and if you fail at this, you have failed to adapt"
    (Don't Ask-Don't Tell)
    Ahh so it's ok for Heterosexuals to discuss what goes on in the bedroom in front of others, but it is bad if homosexuals do it? I call bull**** there.

    When heterosexuals in the military can keep their traps shut about what goes on in the bedroom, or not show affection for their significant others publicly, then you might have a case for gays to do the same. Until then it is a clear double standard that should be addressed by allowing gays to serve openly.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    I've got a little non-PC answer for ya. How about this. Sodomy is disgusting and I don't want to serve with a man who would perform it on another man. I don't trust his character.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by G.I. Joe View Post
    I've got a little non-PC answer for ya. How about this. Sodomy is disgusting and I don't want to serve with a man who would perform it on another man. I don't trust his character.
    And I've got a little rational answer for you. I don't give a flying **** what you think about what two consenting adults in private do because it has no bearing on how he performs his job in public. And here's another little non-PC answer for you...if you think about two men sodomizing each other so deeply that you can't perform your job function, then the damage is with you and you should probably make a point of telling your girlfriend and see what she thinks about your obsession with men sodomizing each other.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    And I've got a little rational answer for you. I don't give a flying **** what you think about what two consenting adults in private do because it has no bearing on how he performs his job in public. And here's another little non-PC answer for you...if you think about two men sodomizing each other so deeply that you can't perform your job function, then the damage is with you and you should probably make a point of telling your girlfriend and see what she thinks about your obsession with men sodomizing each other.
    Actually, my wife thinks grown men sodomizing each other is nasty as well, just as most women do. Think about it. Two women kissing turns a lot of people on, even females, but even most females agree that two males kissing is disgusting.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Ahh so it's ok for Heterosexuals to discuss what goes on in the bedroom in front of others, but it is bad if homosexuals do it? I call bull**** there.

    When heterosexuals in the military can keep their traps shut about what goes on in the bedroom, or not show affection for their significant others publicly, then you might have a case for gays to do the same. Until then it is a clear double standard that should be addressed by allowing gays to serve openly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    Whatever...the below quote ended whatever argument you where trying to use blacks for in regards to this issue.


    If you have racist tenancies, it is expected that you will keep them to yourself and if you fail at this, you have failed to adapt

    "If you have homosexual tendencies, it is expected that you will keep them to yourself and if you fail at this, you have failed to adapt"
    (Don't Ask-Don't Tell)


    This guy not only failed to adapt he went out of his way to become an activist.

    Most likely his discharge will be 'Under Other Than Honorable Conditions'. If he's unlucky it will be a Dishonorable.
    He threw out his honorable chances by dishonoring the uniform he wore.
    Is what I said.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by G.I. Joe View Post
    Actually, my wife thinks grown men sodomizing each other is nasty as well, just as most women do. Think about it. Two women kissing turns a lot of people on, even females, but even most females agree that two males kissing is disgusting.
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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by G.I. Joe View Post
    I've got a little non-PC answer for ya. How about this. Sodomy is disgusting and I don't want to serve with a man who would perform it on another man. I don't trust his character.
    Well at least you don't cloak your ignorance in any high-minded rhetoric like most bigots do. That's pretty much what every argument against gays in the military boils down to.
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