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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Service in the military is not a right. There are physical, mental and societal considerations which can disqualify one from service. Physical: hearing/vision standards. Mental: record of anxiety disorder/shizophrenia. Societal: Felony Convictions.

    Rules and regulations governing the military are to promote good order and disipline in support of readiness. Anything that has a negative effect on readiness and to some degree morale, are subject to regulation. We are discussing this because there have been problems concerning homosexuals in the military and their effect on readiness. The current policy allows homosexuals to serve if they can shut up and not get an erection in the showers. I have never had a desire to know every sexual exploit of the people I have served with. I have no problem with the current policy.

    People should be allowed some degree of modesty and privacy which is severly lacking in the military already. I do not want my daughter showering with a company of virile male marines (no offense). I do not want to shower with a company of homosexuals (no offense). I do not want to shower regularly with a company of females (no offense); I may not survive it for long. These feelings are not mine alone; I like to think they are the feelings of most people. Correct me if I'm wrong.

    Does this mean we need separate hetero male, hetero female, homo male and homo female heads? Seems like it does to me. Now put that on a 300' or smaller vessel which already has shower hours because of water production limitations. The entire main deck would be heads and then there's the officer quarters.
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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by LowRevs View Post
    Service in the military is not a right. There are physical, mental and societal considerations which can disqualify one from service. Physical: hearing/vision standards. Mental: record of anxiety disorder/shizophrenia. Societal: Felony Convictions.
    Yep, and at one time there was a regulation that said only whites could be officers. Regulations change.

    Quote Originally Posted by LowRevs View Post
    I have never had a desire to know every sexual exploit of the people I have served with. I have no problem with the current policy.
    Here's a hint, most people that are gay don't want to talk about their sex life either just like most heterosexuals don't like to talk about what they do in bed.

    Quote Originally Posted by LowRevs View Post
    I do not want to shower with a company of homosexuals (no offense).
    Under the DADT policy a person most likely already has done that.


    Quote Originally Posted by LowRevs View Post
    Does this mean we need separate hetero male, hetero female, homo male and homo female heads?
    No, it doesn't.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yep, and at one time there was a regulation that said only whites could be officers. Regulations change.



    Here's a hint, most people that are gay don't want to talk about their sex life either just like most heterosexuals don't like to talk about what they do in bed.



    Under the DADT policy a person most likely already has done that.




    No, it doesn't.
    Why did you skip over Blackdog's post? You're not going to call him a homophobe, bigot and a cock sucker, like the rest of us who are, "nuts"?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why did you skip over Blackdog's post? You're not going to call him a homophobe, bigot and a cock sucker, like the rest of us who are, "nuts"?
    In defense of "Extra" he did not call anyone that. He was only making the point he does not think the military now days is made up of such men and women. I agree that the modern military is not made up of such people.

    The only place I disagree with him is in that DADT never worked, I saw it work. I know it worked.

    As for it's usefulness now? It depends on how the solders feel in the military now. I suspect it would not be as big a problem now days as it was then.

    If I knew then what I know now, I would have not had any real issue with it.

    Would I want to shower with gay men? No. Would I suck it up and move on? Yes. (No pun intended)

    Oh man, terms like that take on a whole new meaning, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G.I. Joe View Post
    Are we really comparing skin color to the lifestyle of a sodomite?
    It would appear so. Do you think being gay is a choice? If so, when did you choose to be straight and why would anyone choose to be gay?
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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    The only place I disagree with him is in that DADT never worked, I saw it work. I know it worked.
    I didn't said it NEVER worked, I am saying that it is an obsolete policy IMO and I think the military could handle the change just fine.

    In the 80s, that was a different story. Gays were under attack by people claiming that they were the cause of AIDS or that you could get AIDS just by casually touching a gay or being near them.

    Times have changed IMO, and I think this would be a change for the better in the military.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why did you skip over Blackdog's post? You're not going to call him a homophobe, bigot and a cock sucker, like the rest of us who are, "nuts"?
    I don't think you are nuts, I think you have an antiquated view of gays serving in the military is all.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I don't think you are nuts, I think you have an antiquated view of gays serving in the military is all.
    I don't think my views are antiquated at all. IMO, they firmly in line with the reality that is the United States military, today.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Once, white soldiers made a lot of noises about having to shower with black soldiers. Now, military culture expects you to learn to deal with people of other races. If you have racist tenancies, it is expected that you will keep them to yourself and if you fail at this, you have failed to adapt. Oddly, this works better these days then claiming to be insane or drug use if you want out of the military.

    Sexual assault and harassment are large issues in military culture. You cannot make it through a year of service without many mandatory briefings on the subject. For the most part these briefings are a joke. Such events still happen in giant numbers. I can lay a very personnel testimony to this a a medic - I have seen more rape kits get used then you frankly want to know about. I have also seen most of them swept under the rug, and known of a lot more that have gone unreported.

    Someone always knows. Bases in theater are a small place; if it happens, it happens because it is permitted.

    In case you are missing it, I am talking about heterosexual rape by one soldier of another soldier in a WAR ZONE.

    I have seen one homosexual rape come through my doors. I am a little lost as to why one is any more ugly then the other. Maybe the issue is rape and what ever is wrong with military culture that makes it permissible, regardless of regulation and mandatory awareness programs.

    If nothing else, it goes to show that an armed society is not necessarily a polite society. Ever read about a soldier finding their rapist later and shooting them with the firearm and ammo we are all required to have over there?

    Speaking as a heterosexual soldier who has served with and even showered with "gay" soldiers, I think people who spend a lot of time thinking about this subject are a bunch of closet cases. Please find a more important issue then imagining being uncomfortable in a shower because "gays might be there". I promise, if you have ever showered in a public shower "gays were there", and no regulations are going to change this.

    Look, what is more important, that someone is ON YOUR SIDE and OTHER PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO KILL YOU or your prejudice?

    Darwin says suck up your prejudice and worry about the mission. If you can't do that, I would prefer you stay home. Failing that, please tell me so I can do my best to make sure you are as far from me as possible.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Sneam View Post
    Speaking as a heterosexual soldier who has served with and even showered with "gay" soldiers, I think people who spend a lot of time thinking about this subject are a bunch of closet cases. Please find a more important issue then imagining being uncomfortable in a shower because "gays might be there". I promise, if you have ever showered in a public shower "gays were there", and no regulations are going to change this.
    That's where I believe the whole school of thought goes awry. It is automatically assumed that the problem is going to be with straight male soldiers in close proximity with gay male soldiers. What's going to happen when a gay soldier wants seclusion from his/her straight comrades? Or, when straight females refuse to share billets and latrines with gay female soldiers? Don't say it can't happen, because it's far from a impossibility.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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