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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Verified by anacdotal evidence, which, according to Redress, is a lie. Care to post something in the form of documentation supporting your claim?
    Please do not misrepresent what I am saying. In point of fact, Alex's observations match mine very closely.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Please do not misrepresent what I am saying. In point of fact, Alex's observations match mine very closely.
    YOU, sir, called me a liar for not presenting the documentation that you required to be convinced, then called me a liar, twice.


    How 'bout that shower sharing documentation? Got that? No, huh?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    As is the evidence that you've provided that abolishing DADT will be an asset to the military. In reality, our side of the argument has provided more evidence and common sense than your's has.

    Do you have a list of over one thousand officers that claim that abolishing DADT will be a plus for the military? Didn't think so.
    Actually, a bunch of evidence has been given in this very thread. Abolishing DADT and allowing gays to serve openly means less likelihood of quality soldiers being forced out of service due to being outed, and increases the recruit pool, which could potentially allow for higher standards to serve. Remember the story of the gay officer who was an Arab translator who was outed and forced out? Significant loss to the service, both of a rare skill and a large investment in training.

    On the subject of possible troubles for the services with removing DADT far and away suggests no such trouble. Interviews of current service members, both strait and gay suggest that their should be no problem, as does the numbers from the service, where the lowest estimate I have seen suggests 35k gays in service now. Further, looking at other countries with more liberal rules on gays in service show no problems from those more liberal rules. This includes the Isreali service, which places no limitation on gays in service, and is one of the most effective soldier for soldier, and has more combat experience than pretty much any service.

    To argue against all this, you have the opinion of 100 retired officers who mostly belong to a conservative organization. These are countered by a large number of retired officers who support gays serving openly in the military.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Are we going to allow gays to serve openly in job skills where women are presently prohibited from serving?
    Gay men are men, gay women are women. Why would gay men not be allowed and expected to do jobs that the rest of the men in service do?

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Actually, a bunch of evidence has been given in this very thread. Abolishing DADT and allowing gays to serve openly means less likelihood of quality soldiers being forced out of service due to being outed, and increases the recruit pool, which could potentially allow for higher standards to serve. Remember the story of the gay officer who was an Arab translator who was outed and forced out? Significant loss to the service, both of a rare skill and a large investment in training.

    On the subject of possible troubles for the services with removing DADT far and away suggests no such trouble. Interviews of current service members, both strait and gay suggest that their should be no problem, as does the numbers from the service, where the lowest estimate I have seen suggests 35k gays in service now. Further, looking at other countries with more liberal rules on gays in service show no problems from those more liberal rules. This includes the Isreali service, which places no limitation on gays in service, and is one of the most effective soldier for soldier, and has more combat experience than pretty much any service.

    To argue against all this, you have the opinion of 100 retired officers who mostly belong to a conservative organization. These are countered by a large number of retired officers who support gays serving openly in the military.
    Still no docs?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    YOU, sir, called me a liar for not presenting the documentation that you required to be convinced, then called me a liar, twice.


    How 'bout that shower sharing documentation? Got that? No, huh?
    I have never called you a lair for not presenting documentation. I have told you that anecdotal evidence is less strong than sourced evidence. However, in the case of what Alex has said, I have confirmed that it matches my experience. The navy started building hotel style barracks sometime before I joined in 1987. These barracks are not segregated. I saw(and stayed in) similar style barracks on an Air Force base(Nellis), so they have them too.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Still no docs?
    Every claim in that post has been documented in this thread.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Every claim in that post has been documented in this thread.
    really? Let's see'em!
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I have never called you a lair for not presenting documentation. I have told you that anecdotal evidence is less strong than sourced evidence.
    That's untrue, sir.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, what unit were you in?
    What does that have to do with my post?

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