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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    http://www.first.army.mil/eo/pdf/arm...exual_harr.pdf

    Welcome to the world of straight male soldiers reporting cases of sexual harrassment. The sexual harrassment rate in the military is going to go through the roof.
    I suppose you'll point me to the section in that link that indicates gay on straight sexual harassment is or will be a problem?

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Where did you get the idea that gay people are all sex-crazed maniacs who can't keep their hands off straight males? Is this one of your fantasies, perhaps?
    The couple gays I served with before DADT where pretty discreet actually. We all knew they where gay, and they did not really hide the fact, but they did not do anything to intentionally draw attention to the fact. The reaction of those of us who served and at times showered with them: who cares.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Who the hell cares? If people are more scared of another dude checking out their junk than they are of getting their head blown off in war, that's THEIR problem.
    So, you are in support of females and males sharing latrines?


    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Where did you get the idea that gay people are all sex-crazed maniacs who can't keep their hands off straight males? Is this one of your fantasies, perhaps?

    Are you fully aware of what constitues sexual harrassment in the miltiary? There's more to it than physical contact. A male soldier can be charged with sexual harrassment for simply opening a door for a female soldier. Bet you didn't know that.

    Save the homophobic crap for your private time.


    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That was the claim when DADT was first implemented. Funnily enough, it did not happen. In fact, all the claims of doom and gloom because gays might be able to serve proved to be false.
    Like hell it didn't! You were never in the service after DADT, were you?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The couple gays I served with before DADT where pretty discreet actually. We all knew they where gay, and they did not really hide the fact, but they did not do anything to intentionally draw attention to the fact. The reaction of those of us who served and at times showered with them: who cares.
    So, you speak for every serviceman out there? Glad to know it. That's a relief.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I suppose you'll point me to the section in that link that indicates gay on straight sexual harassment is or will be a problem?
    That's kinda silly, since it was written in '95.

    Care to show me the study that proves gay and straight co-habitance won't be a problem? Thanks in advance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, you are in support of females and males sharing latrines?
    You mean like does occasionally happen now, and has since women have served in the military on occasion? By the way, big clue here...a gay guy is not like a woman.



    Are you fully aware of what constitues sexual harrassment in the miltiary? There's more to it than physical contact. A male soldier can be charged with sexual harrassment for simply opening a door for a female soldier. Bet you didn't know that.
    That is also not true. I went to a godawful number of training classes on sexual harassment, and opening doors for some one is not even close to qualifying.


    Like hell it didn't! You were never in the service after DADT, were you?
    Just missed it, but did stay in contact with some who where still in at the time. Now, since you are making this claim of drastic increase of sexual harassment, you will of course document that claim. Bet you cannot.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's kinda silly, since it was written in '95.

    Care to show me the study that proves gay and straight co-habitance won't be a problem? Thanks in advance.
    Absence of proof is not proof of absence. In other words, you can't prove a negative. You learn that your first week of logic.

    So basically, you admit that the link does nothing to further your case. Good. It can be summarily dismissed as the bunk it is.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's kinda silly, since it was written in '95.

    Care to show me the study that proves gay and straight co-habitance won't be a problem? Thanks in advance.
    He is not making any claim, you are. It's your responsibility to back up your claim.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, you are in support of females and males sharing latrines?
    If there are no other options, it would hardly be the end of the world. However, it's a lot easier and more practical to separate the men from the women than it is to separate the gays from the straights.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst
    Are you fully aware of what constitues sexual harrassment in the miltiary? There's more to it than physical contact. A male soldier can be charged with sexual harrassment for simply opening a door for a female soldier. Bet you didn't know that.
    Uhh
    So you're worried that the sexual harrassment rate is going to go through the roof because gay men will open doors for straight men?
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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's kinda silly, since it was written in '95.

    Care to show me the study that proves gay and straight co-habitance won't be a problem? Thanks in advance.
    It isn't a problem in any other military in the world that allows it. Nor is it a problem in American-based security units like Blackwater.
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