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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Would you take the word of a doctor who had actually done a few surgeries, or the word of a doctor that wrote a few books about doing surgeries?

    Practical experience, in any situation, trumps every other opinion.
    Guess where the data came from? Why, those people with experience, and military documents. Are you familiar with the Rand Corporation?

    You claimed that sexual harassment rates where going to go through the roof, and yet the evidence, obtained from the military, is that this is not happening or going to happen. I supplied more than enough information to back up that claim, you have provided none.

    What, I'm not as qualified as you are? Is this where we get into a dick measuring contest about who had crotch-rot the most and who had to eat the most snakes?
    Might want to go back and read what I said. I said that those of us who fit your qualifications(ie veterans) disagree with you.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oh, you were in a co-ed unit? Glad I didn't have to deal with all that.
    Not at the beginning no, but later yes.

    I will say this, I welcomed it, while some females didn't cut the mustard, we had one that would rival the guy we called "the beast" hehe.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, there was alotta racial unrest in the 70's, too. I wonder if it was worth it. Tom Clancey's Battle Ready has contributions by General Anthony Zinni that touches on the racial problems he encountered while stationed in Okinawa. Good read.
    Not saying there wasn't unrest or bad feelings about it, but either way the soldiers don't get to vote on it even if it is life changing.

    The blacks I served with in the military were quite honrable. Yes, we had some that either got kicked out or got in trouble (same as whites or Latinos did) but that happens.
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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

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    Guess where the data came from? Why, those people with experience, and military documents. Are you familiar with the Rand Corporation?
    Yeah, they're a Liberal think tank.

    You claimed that sexual harassment rates where going to go through the roof, and yet the evidence, obtained from the military, is that this is not happening or going to happen. I supplied more than enough information to back up that claim, you have provided none.
    I provided one. BTW, you got that coed latrine info for us? It affects your credibility not to be able to to support your comments that are made as statements of fact. We don't play that on this forum.



    Might want to go back and read what I said. I said that those of us who fit your qualifications(ie veterans) disagree with you.
    "Almost all", is what you said. But you're Left leaning, so you're putting your politics ahead of your service.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The blacks I served with in the military were quite honrable. Yes, we had some that either got kicked out or got in trouble (same as whites or Latinos did) but that happens.

    I was in the infantry, so my experience with female soldiers was extremely limited. Thank God! I've heard some horror stories about being in coed units.

    My time in service was a very valuable experience. I learned to look past the color of a man's skin, before hating his guts.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I learned to look past the color of a man's skin, before hating his guts.
    The same was with Females

    And the same will be with openly gays IMO.

    My military experience was life changing and I appreciate it.

    I still beleive the military to be cutting edge on technology and social behavior and still do, the acceptance of gays will come with that.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Offtopic, but goes to show you retired military still can be somewhat liberal

    That's why I get pissed at people saying Military is nothing but warmongers and I get pissed at people saying liberals know nothing of the military.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Offtopic, but goes to show you retired military still can be somewhat liberal

    That's why I get pissed at people saying Military is nothing but warmongers and I get pissed at people saying liberals know nothing of the military.
    You're in very small minority.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're in very small minority.
    Maybe, but I am happy to have served and even disagreeing over the Iraq war, I get pissed at people trying to say the military isn't a viable career option.

    It is like any other dangerous career option, but IMO gives you more benefits

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    yeah, and everyone always has a black, or Latino friend and so on. I only ever met one gay service member and he got his ass kicked for oogling at a dude in the shower one night--charged with sexual harrassment, then later discharged--so I'm having a hard time believing that this many people know that many gay troops. Just guaging by my own experience.
    I'm a gay man who worked for the Air Force for eleven years... four years at the Pentagon. Yes, I knew quite a few gay service members.

    I won't challenge your own anecdote about the gay service member who got his ass kicked for oogling a dude in the shower. But I will question the details. Were you there to witness the oogling personally? Did you witness the ass kicking? Please elaborate.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, they're a Liberal think tank.
    Not that I can find any evidence on. I do know they are funded partly by, guess who, the DoD. About the RAND Corporation | RAND Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)

    RAND Project AIR FORCE, the RAND National Defense Research Institute, and the RAND Arroyo Center—are long-standing research centers funded annually through the Department of Defense budget to carry out short- and long-term research on national security questions.
    Can you back up your liberal claim by chance?

    I provided one. BTW, you got that coed latrine info for us? It affects your credibility not to be able to to support your comments that are made as statements of fact. We don't play that on this forum.
    You know the difference between anecdotal evidence(which is what you supplied), and a study using statistics from the services as a whole? That difference is important.


    "Almost all", is what you said. But you're Left leaning, so you're putting your politics ahead of your service.
    The majority of veterans who have commented on this in this thread have supported gays in the military. Do I need to count the numbers for you?

    By the way, I do not put anything ahead of my service and love of country. Watch your personal accusations.

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