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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I imagine this will put even more pressure on Obama to live up to his campaign promises. Though, I wouldn't hold my breath that anything will happen.
    I find this incredibly disappointing that Obama doesn't have the balls to do what he promised to do.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I find this incredibly disappointing that Obama doesn't have the balls to do what he promised to do.



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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I find it par for the course for politicians everywhere.
    True, but this is one thing that would have been an easy fix, and is also squarely on the shoulders of the president to change. it doesn't even require legislative support. It's an executive order.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    True, but this is one thing that would have been an easy fix, and is also squarely on the shoulders of the president to change. it doesn't even require legislative support. It's an executive order.


    I don't think ****ing with the military in a time of war is a good thing. Wait until the troops are home if you are going to mess with them.


    Personally, being who he is, I don't think he is the one that should do this at all. If it is done, it should be done by a president with a military background, not an anti-military background.
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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    Is it just me or is apdst's main problem that gay/lesbian people serve in the army period? That won't change no matter what you do.

    If you're in the shower with another gay who doesn't tell you he's gay, how is that any better or worse than one who does? Aren't you still sharing the shower with a gay guy?
    If we repeal DADT, they will all start walking around with mega-hard raging boners in the showers.

    All the rules that apply to protecting straight servicemembers from harrassment, rape, assault from other straight servicemembers would apply to gay servicemembers as well. Thats to say, if a gay servicemember were to sexually assault a straight person, they could be charges and if a straight servicemember assaulted a gay servicemember, for being gay, they would be charged too. Its all already covered.

    As long as they don't play rave music at the barracks, its not a big deal.
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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    If we repeal DADT, they will all start walking around with mega-hard raging boners in the showers.

    All the rules that apply to protecting straight servicemembers from harrassment, rape, assault from other straight servicemembers would apply to gay servicemembers as well. Thats to say, if a gay servicemember were to sexually assault a straight person, they could be charges and if a straight servicemember assaulted a gay servicemember, for being gay, they would be charged too. Its all already covered.

    As long as they don't play rave music at the barracks, its not a big deal.



    When I served, we sorta policed ourselves, and really didn't need to go up the chain of command to deal with innapropriate behavior....


    Guess times have changed.
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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    When I served, we sorta policed ourselves, and really didn't need to go up the chain of command to deal with innapropriate behavior....


    Guess times have changed.
    I think certain roles in the military, have different ways of dealing with issues. The people that show up at 0800 and leave work at 1630 everyday, would be more apt to send things up and down the chain. When you are in role where you deploy to the field for various amounts of time, by necessity, the unit will deal with things themselves, since they do not have the luxury of offices and official documents.
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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    When I served, we sorta policed ourselves, and really didn't need to go up the chain of command to deal with innapropriate behavior....


    Guess times have changed.
    Boyfriend and Bro both served on submarines. Talk about close, confining quarters. Both of them have told me that they just wish DADT would be repealed, because it's a freaking farce. Some guys/gals are gay. Big freaking deal.

    On the sub, if someone got out of line, and in that case, it usually meant not taking care of personal hygiene, their peers straightened them out. I suspect the same thing would happen here.

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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ask your dad if he knowingly shared an open bay shower with a gay soldier. Ask him how he would have felt about that. Ask him if he would, "spoon", with an openly gay soldiers on a freezing cold night.
    I am a Vietnam Vet and I am having second thoughts about the DADT rule. I do not understand gayness, I do not accept it, I do not condone it. Yet I have modified my opposition to gays serving if they strictly follow all the rules and do not in any way use their rank/position to force a lower ranked individual into sex acts. Actually no trolling whatsoever within the military can be allowed.

    I really had seconds thoughts about this DADT after I heard that Lt. Colonel F-15 DRIVER and he appears to be one who can do the job despite his condition. We have spent millions of dollors on his training so what a waste would kicking him out as long as he has not violated anyone and absolutely not violated any children. Let him fly.

    I did not knowningly share an open bay shower with any gay and I wouldn't think about "spooning" with any guy whether gay, straight, or confused.
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    Re: Gay West Point grad testifies before Army

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Just because a man is gay doesn't mean like he's going to act like a knob slobbering idiot every time he's around other men. Jesus.
    I don't think I ever said that was neccessarily the case. Did I? If so, then I apologize. You're more than welcome to quote me, if you can.

    Every active duty person I know, and I know a few, support overturning DADT. They just don't speak out on the subject because THEY CAN'T. Active duty military personnel aren't really allowed to speak out on policy issues.

    That's not true. I spoke out against policy quite often when I was in the service.



    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    I am a Vietnam Vet and I am having second thoughts about the DADT rule. I do not understand gayness, I do not accept it, I do not condone it. Yet I have modified my opposition to gays serving if they strictly follow all the rules and do not in any way use their rank/position to force a lower ranked individual into sex acts. Actually no trolling whatsoever within the military can be allowed.

    I really had seconds thoughts about this DADT after I heard that Lt. Colonel F-15 DRIVER and he appears to be one who can do the job despite his condition. We have spent millions of dollors on his training so what a waste would kicking him out as long as he has not violated anyone and absolutely not violated any children. Let him fly.
    My issue is, simply, that having openly gay soldiers serving in the military, especially in combat arms, will cause a breakdown in discpline. These breakdowns in discipline could result in soldiers getting killed. There have already been breakdowns in discipline in coed units. It's the reason that the IDF no longer allow coed combat arms units.

    I was always cool with DADT; thought it was a revolutionary policy. Wanna be gay? Go be gay...on your time. When you're on my time, you're a heartbreaker and a lifetaker.


    I did not knowningly share an open bay shower with any gay and I wouldn't think about "spooning" with any guy whether gay, straight, or confused
    Didn't get that cold in Vietnam, huh?...LOL!!! Take my word for it, when it's 15 below, you're not going to give a ****...LOL!!!
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