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Honduras leader says country ready to ‘go to war’ as riots flare

Harry Guerrilla said:
He called for a vote he had no power to call for, he used Chavez to print ballots because he is legally not allowed to do so and the courts of Honduras said "you can't do that."

He was legally ousted.
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Well as i keep saying the legal thing to do would be to impeach him and the huge crackdown we,re seeing at the moment would seam to indicate that the military is a law unto themselves
 
Red_Dave said:
Well you seam pretty much on the side of the Junta in Honduras in this instance, that is exactly what the Junta is doing.
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I make a comment about you and Pete and the irony of your positions, and that makes me in favor of the "Junta"? Excellent reasoning skills there. :doh


I love that im being painted as some sort of authoritarian for defending the right of people to vote for who they want
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Again, not so great with reading comprehension. I "paint" you as nothing other than a hypocrite. If you're an "authoritarian," though, it's to the same extent which you appear to calling the "right-wingers" here, if that's what you're doing, because you have done the same thing as they regarding left-wing regimes.
 
PeteEU said:
Hey I am the first to admit there have been "left wing" strong men in various places around the world, but that is not what we are talking about here.
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And you've defended them, too.


We are talking about a right wing lead military coup against a democratic elected government. And it is not after all a new thing in the region, where the few rich elite have used the military to hold on and take power and hold power away from the masses. There is pretty much no country in central and south America that has not been affected by right wing military elite coups through the last 60 years and most of those were supported by the US, and especially the US right wing. Now you can claim (and I would agree somewhat) that it was the cold war and ****, but guess what.. that is over. What is the excuse now?

The US right are living up to their "conservative" stigmata, but living in the past and not wanting any change what so ever ....
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So? None of that absolves you of your own hypocrisy.
 
Red_Dave said:
Well as i keep saying the legal thing to do would be to impeach him and the huge crackdown we,re seeing at the moment would seam to indicate that the military is a law unto themselves
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I have little faith that the populist protesters know much about their particular political machine.
In a lot of countries, especially small ones, military is used for law enforcement all the time, so this is no big deal.

A politician extending term limits is a poor excuse to usurp the rule of law.
 
Harshaw said:
I make a comment about you and Pete and the irony of your positions, and that makes me in favor of the "Junta"? Excellent reasoning skills there. :doh




Again, not so great with reading comprehension. I "paint" you as nothing other than a hypocrite. If you're an "authoritarian," though, it's to the same extent which you appear to calling the "right-wingers" here, if that's what you're doing, because you have done the same thing as they regarding left-wing regimes.
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I seem to remember you arguing in its favor in another thread but correct me if wrong. Whom exactly should i be criticising and why?
 
Did it occur to anyone that Obama is supporting this wanna be dictator and friend of another dictator Chavez for a reason. That reason being that at the end of Obama's 2nd term he will attempt to do as they have done.

And why would he immediately get behind Zelaya who attempted to change his countries constitution so he could serve another term but not support another leader who stolled an election, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
 
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Red_Dave said:
I seem to remember you arguing in its favor in another thread but correct me if wrong.
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Never said a thing about it.


Whom exactly should i be criticising and why?
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Ask the opposition media outlets Hugo has shut down.
 
Harshaw said:
Never said a thing about it.




Ask the opposition media outlets Hugo has shut down.
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The ones involved in an attempted coup who could have been detained, without trial, for three months had they done the same thing in the UK? [incidently they were dennyed a licence and can still broadcast online]. Ild imagine if Fox news incited people to violently overthrow the government the FCC would have a thing or two to say
 
Red_Dave said:
The ones involved in an attempted coup
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See? There, you're defending him. Whose word do you have for that?

And how about Globovision? They criticized the government's response to an earthquake as being too slow; the government says they incited "panic and anxiety" and is gearing up to shut them down.

Funny; the FCC didn't have anything to say when all the American media was in a frenzy about Bush's "slow reaction" to Katrina.

So, there you go. Your man of the Left.
 
Harshaw said:
See? There, you're defending him. Whose word do you have for that?

And how about Globovision? They criticized the government's response to an earthquake as being too slow; the government says they incited "panic and anxiety" and is gearing up to shut them down.

Funny; the FCC didn't have anything to say when all the American media was in a frenzy about Bush's "slow reaction" to Katrina.

So, there you go. Your man of the Left.
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Well ive criticised him for the courruption and cronyism existent in Venuzuela and for the regimes his building alliances with. The only point ive been making is that its inaccurate to call him a despot and that he is being supported for the improvements he makes. This isnt being partisan, its a statement of fact. Would i rather someone else was making these improvments? absolutely

There is no country in the world were a media company can be complicit in a violence against the government and expect to come out unscathed.
 
Red_Dave said:
Well ive criticised him for the courruption and cronyism existent in Venuzuela and for the regimes his building alliances with. The only point ive been making is that its inaccurate to call him a despot and that he is being supported for the improvements he makes. This isnt being partisan, its a statement of fact. Would i rather someone else was making these improvments? absolutely

There is no country in the world were a media company can be complicit in a violence against the government and expect to come out unscathed.
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What exactly where they complicit in? What exactly did they do which amounted to "participating in a coup"? And again, whose word do you have for that?

And since when is criticizing the slow response of government to a disaster legitimate reason to shut it down? I mean, if civil liberties are respected, of course.

The point isn't, and is NEVER, what a government does regarding the people who like them. It's about what they do to the people who don't.
 
Harshaw said:
What exactly where they complicit in? What exactly did they do which amounted to "participating in a coup"? And again, whose word do you have for that?

And since when is criticizing the slow response of government to a disaster legitimate reason to shut it down? I mean, if civil liberties are respected, of course.

The point isn't, and is NEVER, what a government does regarding the people who like them. It's about what they do to the people who don't.
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Well you dont need to take anyones word for it. You simply have to watch the footage of them calling on soldiers to join the coup. Try watching the documentary "the revolution will not be televised" Those who dont support the government generally get on ok provided they dont advocate violence.
 
Red_Dave said:
Well you dont need to take anyones word for it. You simply have to watch the footage of them calling on soldiers to join the coup. Try watching the documentary "the revolution will not be televised" Those who dont support the government generally get on ok provided they dont advocate violence.
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What about Globovision?

In any case, here's the pro-Chavez version of things re: RCTV:

Cartoon Coup D?Etat | venezuelanalysis.com

I don't see anything they say RCTV did which would be illegal here, nor would any civil libertarian say they should be. Of course, they say:

It is not difficult to imagine that had CNN or the New York Times acted in the United States as RCTV had done in Venezuela, their executives would now be in Guantánamo
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But that's complete idiocy.
 
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